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Israeli Gaza conflict?????? (GAZA)     

Fred1new - 06 Jan 2009 19:21

Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

Haystack - 15 Mar 2011 15:28 - 4571 of 6906

European Public Perceptions of the Israel Palestine Conflict
Population effectively sampled: All adults aged 18+
Sampling Method: ICM interviewed a random sample of 7,045 European adults aged 18 years+ from its demographically online panel in six European countries: Great Britain (2,031), France (1,004), Germany (1,002), Italy (1,004), Netherlands (1,002), Spain (1,002).

http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/pdfs/2011_march_memo_israelpalestine_poll.pdf

34 per cent of the people polled believe Israel is not a democracy, while less than half, or 45 per cent, believe it is. In Italy and Spain, 41 per cent believe Israel is not a democracy.

53 per cent of Europeans view the siege of the Gaza Strip as illegal, 60 per cent said the 2008-09 ground invasion of the territory was illegal; while 64 per cent said Israels attack on the Freedom Flotilla in May 2010 was illegal.

49 per cent of respondents recognised Israel as the occupying power; 22 per cent said they did not know if it was. When the University of Glasgow conducted its study in Britain in 2001 it found that 71 per cent did not know that it was the Israelis who were occupying the territories.

50 per cent of respondents disagreed with the view that criticism of Israel makes a person anti-Semitic, only 12 per cent said criticising Israel does make a person anti-Semitic.




In The Land of the B - 15 Mar 2011 16:25 - 4572 of 6906

How long has it taken you to dredge up that pile of irrelevant rubbish?
You really are a sad piece of work, parrot.

PS Apparently they say there are some effective treatments for Obsessive Compulsive Disorder these days. Check it out, parrot.

Fred1new - 15 Mar 2011 17:08 - 4573 of 6906

Just to clarify what a democracy was. I looked up the definition.


Democracy

1) A State or community in which the power of government resides in or is exercised by the people..

2) Government by the people; a form of government in which the power resides in the people and is exercised by them either directly or by means of elected representatives; a form of society which favours equal rights, the ignoring of hereditary class distinctions, and tolerance of minority views..

3) That class of people which has no hereditary or special rank or privilege; the common people.



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I can see why many had doubts about the Israeli government.

But the same doubts may be held about other countries' democracy, including Britain's.

Haystack - 15 Mar 2011 17:09 - 4574 of 6906

It is a survey just published from a respected polling agency. It shows the changing attitude to Israel and how they are losing support.

cynic - 15 Mar 2011 17:28 - 4575 of 6906

surely the only true democracy was in ancient athens where the enfranchised(!!) met in the agora and a vote by count of hands was conducted

In The Land of the B - 15 Mar 2011 17:35 - 4576 of 6906

Hey parrot, surely you can find something more negative about Israel.
You know, like Jews have horns growing out of their heads and eat the blood of slain Christian children or they caused the earthquake and tsunami to divert world attention from slaughtering millions of Palestinians every day. You know, "facts" like those.

By the way, parrot, I suppose you support the murder of the settlers last week? You know, the husband and wife and three children, the youngest 5 months of age who were all slashed and stabbed to death in their beds.
Whilst I disagree with their settlement being on what I regard as Palestinian land, you no doubt think they "deserved" to be butchered to death, even the baby.
I didn't notice you post about it on this board.......but then you are avowedly and proudly totally one sided and despise objectivity.
I have seen cleverer parrots, though they are not a species known to have much brain power or intelligence.

Haystack - 15 Mar 2011 17:41 - 4577 of 6906

ITLOTB
It has nothing to do with Jews. You are the only one making that connection. It has to do with the Israeli government. I know very little about the murder in the settlement or who did it. As far as I can see there is just the assumption that Palestinians did it. It was a terrible thing and no one deserves that. It don't see the same level of condemnation when it is Palestinians killed by settlers and Israeli forces though.

Fred1new - 15 Mar 2011 17:43 - 4578 of 6906

Cynic.

enfranchised(!!) !!!!!!!!!

I would like that form of government, with you and me voting with our hands.


8-)

cynic - 15 Mar 2011 18:47 - 4579 of 6906

wankers would de facto be excluded lol

Fred1new - 15 Mar 2011 19:34 - 4580 of 6906

Then, I would have to get a replacement for you!

cynic - 15 Mar 2011 19:58 - 4581 of 6906

just have a democratic dictatorship

Haystack - 15 Mar 2011 20:00 - 4582 of 6906

You must mean like the previous Labour Government under Gordon Brown.

In The Land of the B - 15 Mar 2011 20:53 - 4583 of 6906

I agree with Greg's last post !!!!!!!
Astounding !!!!!!!

Well done, Greg, you've thought for yourself for once.
Sadly I don't think you'll make a habit of it.

Fred1new - 16 Mar 2011 08:46 - 4584 of 6906

Many considering the present government made up of posers, PR spivs, with the the last labour government, are cursing the way they previously voted.

The country is being been driven by a bunch of "ideological nobodies" who don't know which gear they are in.

Never seen so many reversal of policies within 10mths of a "caring government".

First gear forward and then quick reverse and still blaming the previous owner for the direction he is heading. Waiting for the crash.

Devolving responsibility from the centre (ie. themselves) to local government, but holding on to the "authority" to cock-up any actions.

I thought "Dave" was going to "save" the country, not himself and the bankers.


10mths and more chaos. No doubt he will blame world circumstances and previous government. (Even the public is getting fed up with this mantra and laughing at them.)


A party of "hollow men" and primary school economics.

What a lot of headless chickens.

I gave the coalition at the most 18months, I wonder if I will be right.

Fred1new - 16 Mar 2011 08:49 - 4585 of 6906

Still waiting for our Dave to get into his Spitfire and patrol the no fly zone in Libya.

Mind he is the leader of "The West".

Sorry Milkman of the West!

cynic - 16 Mar 2011 09:36 - 4586 of 6906

people don't like the harsh measures being taken ...... understandable but short-sighted ..... personally i am very glad to see this massive deficit tackled hard and fast, painful as it is

Fred1new - 16 Mar 2011 10:37 - 4587 of 6906

Cynic,

To address wastage and debt is sensible and to reduce both is generally useful and therefore gainful. (That applies to all areas of government and business from the board down to the lower level workers.)

However, the rate, methods used and the degrees in certain areas propose by the present government will produce the problems.

I think the government actions will create social disharmony with would expected "turmoil". Doing so,may be this governments intention.

Some of the "Thatcher revolution" was necessary, but it was the haste without "social planning" which provoked many of our present problems.

The problem which Cameron will have is that society's groupings have change and the actions will effect a larger "middle class" who have not programme for the cost of their expectations.

Eg.

1) sending kids to university and the debts those kids will have when they leave universities.
2) paying for "social services" care for the elderly, (their own elderly families.
3) the increased cost of the NHS. (Loss of closer smaller units.)
4) increase in waiting times (people have got close to a walk in service and expected. (good and bad aspects.)
4) Reduce free income, for the throw away society.

and so on.


Cameron's grandstanding, is as hollow as much of Blair's positioning was.

(Short sighted and not allowing for long term planning or growth.)

Unemployment already up 27.000 and the unemployment will increase for the next 1-3 years.

Money could be spent on improving infrastructure of the country and at an increased "spend" would improved both it and the future economic outlook. (Gearing for the future.)

The rush for cuts and pruning and crushing of the Greater Society is due short term political ideology and the hope that the misery that it is producing for many will be forgotten by the next election.
(I don't think that it will be.)


Enough.

==============

PS

I wonder what the Israelis are up to now that Japan and Libya are in the headlines?



Haystack - 16 Mar 2011 10:50 - 4588 of 6906

"people have got close to a walk in service and expected. "

That one is a laugh. I had to go to a hospital recently for a few tests. All the different tests were 'walk in' and at two different hospitals. It was up to me when I went. That is I could choose the day and the time. I turned up at one department for a blood test and there was no one there. I mean no patients and it looked like no nurse. Eventually the nurse heard me and came out of one of the consultation rooms. She took a blood sample in less than a minute and that was that. I asked her how this walk in service with no appointments works. She said that she just sits around all day reading the paper or a book until someone comes in. There may be gaps of an hour, two hours or more on some days. That's a really sensible service. Labour should be proud of it. The other tests at another hospital were similar. Maximum waiting time 5 minutes.

cynic - 16 Mar 2011 11:15 - 4589 of 6906

Fred - not answering your points at all but

sending kids to university and the debts those kids will have when they leave universities
there is the great con going back many years where there has been fostered the belief that (a) as many children as possible should go to uni and (b) once they come out of there, that the streets will be paved with gold

there are far too many rubbish degrees on offer from 3rd rate unis which have no value whatsoever in the market place

i would like to see apprenticeships brought back into the arena, but small/medium-sized companies cannot afford to offer them ..... it follows that instead of "wasting" money on these rubbish unis, it should be offered to companies to subsidise the employment and training of apprentices

not a snowball's chance i'm afraid, due to what has now become an ingrained culture and (false) belief in a right to a uni education (another misnomer!)

In The Land of the B - 16 Mar 2011 11:44 - 4590 of 6906

"there are far too many rubbish degrees on offer from 3rd rate unis which have no value whatsoever in the market place"

A good example being hayparrot's "degree" in Hypnotherapy. Totally useless to both man and beast, and even less so after he was crossed off the register.


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