Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

sure as hell the residential property market (sales) is completely dead
don't know about the rental side

Residential and commercial property dead. Very few sellers at present and less buyers. There does seem to be worries that property prices may fall soon. Chairman only said 'no clear evidence of slowdown'. That sounds pretty cautious.

Right Manuel,

(You must be the man with crystal balls.)

What do you see as the outcome of the "negotiations" in Brussels left in the capable hands of Fox and Fox? (I wonder who will be the latter's advisor on his trips.)

Why no Nigel or Dumbo to complete the party?

I will await the positive effects on the UK's economy, living and social standards.

If the effects are to the good, I welcome them, but I expect it is going to be a rocky road for the next 5+ years.

(If I was in the EU, I would prefer to negotiate deals with those who are under the same rules, regulations, legal and financial arrangements as I would be accustomed to. I wouldn't want the expense or hassle of "employing" expertise to do so. (shortcut.)

As far as reality is concerned, I think at the moment as an opportunist you are still in cloud cuckoo land.

But you may wish to exclude yourself from Europe and revert to pillaging, which put the Great in Great Britain once again. (Laughable, times past, trading is different and like it or not World economics are changing. Watch the economies of "the developing countries" India, ME, South Americas develop over the next 10 years. It won't be smooth but it is inevitable.)

Quite right Fred!

And at the same time you can watch the ever declining economy of Greater €uropa sinking further.

fred - why do you always have to add vitriol instead of just sticking to an intelligent question? ..... therefore i'll just ignore the last 1/3 of your post

as i have written on too many occasions, i hope (and not without reason) that brexit will be the catalyst for the huge number of people across the member states who are completely fed up with the autocratic regime in brussels, to make their voices heard loud and clear

i voted "out" with great reluctance, but ultimately i could not see any way in which the mindset in brussels would be remotely changed if we stayed in

unlike you, who is clearly far far cleverer and better informed than the rest of us put together, i have no idea how things will ultimately pan out

my gut feeling is that, on the surface, nothing much will change with regard to uk's relationship with eu, but i am hoping that there will be much positive devil in the detail

the spin doctors tell us that there are many regions in the rest of the world who are very keen indeed to strike separate deals with uk now that uk does not have to ask permission from brussels for so doing
how much truth there is in all this again remains to be seen

Owen Smith will offer a second referendum if he was elected , what's wrong with these people ,we voted out does he really think that would get him the job.

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there is a definite whiff of manipulation or coercion in the sudden surge in labour party membership
was not similar seen when JC first came up for election?

Members of the British public were duped by the lies of the Brexiters of finding the Holy Grail if the voted out.

The Brexiters didn't and don't have any plan or program for the proposed "exit" and its consequences of the referendum result.

(So far they seemed to have a arranged a doss house for future entertaining.)

Many of the neo-cons and allied runners of the conservative party exercised themselves on trying to get the UK expelled from, or at least leave the EU for 45years.

I think those who wish to stay in the EU are entitled to the same rights.

Again in a parliamentary democracy, the "will" of the people has to be "legalised" by the vote of parliament.

Members of Parliament are supposed to represent in general the "wishes" of their constituencies.

Therefore, I think, Own Smith has a perfect right to float the idea of another referendum when the "Holy Grail" is defined or found to be a falsehood, in order to see if a newly "informed" public still wishes for, or want to continue on what they hope was an escape route from their discontentment.

(Just opinion.)

Luckily, Own Smith has about as much chance of being elected as you have Fred.

I wouldn't want the "job" or "said" perks.

Duped says Fred

and if you want to stay in the EU then do what it allows you to do whilst you can - move

Bye

Yes 17.5 million of us were duped ,we are all stupid and racist.
I think from the time of the EEC to now we have all slowly been duped and locked in to a political union none of us voted for.

Well, Dumbo you seem to be admitting your mistakes.
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Read on the back of Land Rover a poster stating "We are LEAVERS".

Somebody had added , "why don't you".

Very appropriate.

Whats all this rubbish about not having a plan that the 'remainer's' keep spouting?.

What sort of a plan do they want that strokes their hurt feelings?

There needs to be a timetable to leaving..The first is having informal discussions
with the other 27(Merkel)countries, then invoking article50, then its down
to the real business of negotiating free trade agreements that dosn't have
free movement attached as an obstacle.

What more can be done at this time?.

Personally i'd have like to invoked article50 as soon as, but so long as its
not dragged on..

I have seen estimates of the second half of next year for Article 50

the hardcore brexiters may not like the delay in invoking article 50, but to do so would just be silly
it is clear that discussions are already under way with regard to some deal with the eu bloc, and i'ld be surprised if some way was not found around the "freedom of movement" problem ..... as i suggested before, perhaps imposing tough restrictions on who can claim benefits and under what circumstances would save face all round

Fred go and play on the M6 you terrorist loving Moron .

Theres more to it than free movement c. A lot more.


Freedom to trade is very important, but gets brushed aside .

Law is another one, the creeping grasping hand of Brussels must be stopped, they really don't know best.

of course max, but a trade deal is high on the agenda and needs to be