Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Owen Smith will offer a second referendum if he was elected , what's wrong with these people ,we voted out does he really think that would get him the job.

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there is a definite whiff of manipulation or coercion in the sudden surge in labour party membership
was not similar seen when JC first came up for election?

Members of the British public were duped by the lies of the Brexiters of finding the Holy Grail if the voted out.

The Brexiters didn't and don't have any plan or program for the proposed "exit" and its consequences of the referendum result.

(So far they seemed to have a arranged a doss house for future entertaining.)

Many of the neo-cons and allied runners of the conservative party exercised themselves on trying to get the UK expelled from, or at least leave the EU for 45years.

I think those who wish to stay in the EU are entitled to the same rights.

Again in a parliamentary democracy, the "will" of the people has to be "legalised" by the vote of parliament.

Members of Parliament are supposed to represent in general the "wishes" of their constituencies.

Therefore, I think, Own Smith has a perfect right to float the idea of another referendum when the "Holy Grail" is defined or found to be a falsehood, in order to see if a newly "informed" public still wishes for, or want to continue on what they hope was an escape route from their discontentment.

(Just opinion.)

Luckily, Own Smith has about as much chance of being elected as you have Fred.

I wouldn't want the "job" or "said" perks.

Duped says Fred

and if you want to stay in the EU then do what it allows you to do whilst you can - move

Bye

Yes 17.5 million of us were duped ,we are all stupid and racist.
I think from the time of the EEC to now we have all slowly been duped and locked in to a political union none of us voted for.

Well, Dumbo you seem to be admitting your mistakes.
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Read on the back of Land Rover a poster stating "We are LEAVERS".

Somebody had added , "why don't you".

Very appropriate.

Whats all this rubbish about not having a plan that the 'remainer's' keep spouting?.

What sort of a plan do they want that strokes their hurt feelings?

There needs to be a timetable to leaving..The first is having informal discussions
with the other 27(Merkel)countries, then invoking article50, then its down
to the real business of negotiating free trade agreements that dosn't have
free movement attached as an obstacle.

What more can be done at this time?.

Personally i'd have like to invoked article50 as soon as, but so long as its
not dragged on..

I have seen estimates of the second half of next year for Article 50

the hardcore brexiters may not like the delay in invoking article 50, but to do so would just be silly
it is clear that discussions are already under way with regard to some deal with the eu bloc, and i'ld be surprised if some way was not found around the "freedom of movement" problem ..... as i suggested before, perhaps imposing tough restrictions on who can claim benefits and under what circumstances would save face all round

Fred go and play on the M6 you terrorist loving Moron .

Theres more to it than free movement c. A lot more.


Freedom to trade is very important, but gets brushed aside .

Law is another one, the creeping grasping hand of Brussels must be stopped, they really don't know best.

of course max, but a trade deal is high on the agenda and needs to be

Fine, I have no problem with deals.

They could have one tomorrow, called no tariffs either way, and stick the rest up the proverbial.

cynic ,,,

"freedom of movement" problem ..... as i suggested before, perhaps imposing tough restrictions on who can claim benefits and under what circumstances would save face all round
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That wouldn't be much better than Cameron was trying to go for ,for me that would be a stitch up .

a good compromise is one where both parties feel hard done by

DC tried for tough restrictions on benefits but was refused
the position for both parties is now very different

I really believe that they won't win the next election if the free movement of people from Eastern Europe is not stopped ,meaning coach loads of unskilled folk arriving at Victoria and Dover day after day .
You should need a work permit to come here and stay just like the USA.

a great many very clever people will be trying to resolve this issue
coming over to work with a job to go to is one thing
coming over on spec or as part of an extended family or similar is something entirely different
the stakes are high for both sides