Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

I wouldn't want the "job" or "said" perks.

Duped says Fred

and if you want to stay in the EU then do what it allows you to do whilst you can - move

Bye

Yes 17.5 million of us were duped ,we are all stupid and racist.
I think from the time of the EEC to now we have all slowly been duped and locked in to a political union none of us voted for.

Well, Dumbo you seem to be admitting your mistakes.
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Read on the back of Land Rover a poster stating "We are LEAVERS".

Somebody had added , "why don't you".

Very appropriate.

Whats all this rubbish about not having a plan that the 'remainer's' keep spouting?.

What sort of a plan do they want that strokes their hurt feelings?

There needs to be a timetable to leaving..The first is having informal discussions
with the other 27(Merkel)countries, then invoking article50, then its down
to the real business of negotiating free trade agreements that dosn't have
free movement attached as an obstacle.

What more can be done at this time?.

Personally i'd have like to invoked article50 as soon as, but so long as its
not dragged on..

I have seen estimates of the second half of next year for Article 50

the hardcore brexiters may not like the delay in invoking article 50, but to do so would just be silly
it is clear that discussions are already under way with regard to some deal with the eu bloc, and i'ld be surprised if some way was not found around the "freedom of movement" problem ..... as i suggested before, perhaps imposing tough restrictions on who can claim benefits and under what circumstances would save face all round

Fred go and play on the M6 you terrorist loving Moron .

Theres more to it than free movement c. A lot more.


Freedom to trade is very important, but gets brushed aside .

Law is another one, the creeping grasping hand of Brussels must be stopped, they really don't know best.

of course max, but a trade deal is high on the agenda and needs to be

Fine, I have no problem with deals.

They could have one tomorrow, called no tariffs either way, and stick the rest up the proverbial.

cynic ,,,

"freedom of movement" problem ..... as i suggested before, perhaps imposing tough restrictions on who can claim benefits and under what circumstances would save face all round
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That wouldn't be much better than Cameron was trying to go for ,for me that would be a stitch up .

a good compromise is one where both parties feel hard done by

DC tried for tough restrictions on benefits but was refused
the position for both parties is now very different

I really believe that they won't win the next election if the free movement of people from Eastern Europe is not stopped ,meaning coach loads of unskilled folk arriving at Victoria and Dover day after day .
You should need a work permit to come here and stay just like the USA.

a great many very clever people will be trying to resolve this issue
coming over to work with a job to go to is one thing
coming over on spec or as part of an extended family or similar is something entirely different
the stakes are high for both sides

It's in the Guardian, so it must be true.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/19/-sp-search-for-only-briton-poland-claiming-benefits

Why can't i go and sign on unemployment in Poland or Lithuania and get the same as they get here ? i must go to Brussels and ask them .

just listening to some farmers on brexit
it was pointed out quite rightly, and as had certainly not occurred to me, that the blanket term "immigration" and "freedom of movement" about which we all get/got so heated, has 3 different aspects

a) full immigration (residential)- can be for a number of reasons
b) temporary immigration - may cover education, but in particular seasonal for agri/horticulture or catering industries
c) work permit with specific full time job attaching

all the above can be controlled with a specific visa, though of course it does entail proper enforcement, at which we currently seem very lax

to my mind, none of the above really contravene the idea of freedom of movement

jimmy - i believe you can but i suspect you won't think much of the polish benefit system and its level of handouts

Less money for the poor countries, so now complain............. The rich countries where paying for the new poor ones, One less on the rich list, means less money for the poor ones

Central European Countries Call On EU To Reform After Brexit Vote
Thu, 21st Jul 2016 16:13

WARSAW (Alliance News) - Britain's recent vote to leave the EU has sent a clear signal that the bloc needs to be reformed and respect the decisions of its sovereign member states, leaders of the Visegrad Group of Central European countries said Thursday.

"The EU has to return to its roots. It has to deal more with the concerns of its citizens and less with those of its institutions," Polish Prime Minister Beata Szydlo said after a meeting of the group.

Poland in July took over the rotating presidency of Visegrad Group, which also includes the Czech Republic, Slovakia and Hungary. The four countries were meeting to prepare for a special EU summit to be held in the Slovakian capital of Bratislava in September.

"With Britain leaving, the EU has lost its role as a global player," Hungary's Prime Minister Viktor Orban said.

He blamed the Brexit vote on the EU's migration policy: "This is why we have lost the UK."

The four EU member states strictly oppose Brussels' plans to impose a permanent redistribution of asylum seekers in Europe and want to drastically reduce the rate of arrivals to the continent.

"The aim of our refugee policy is to stop migration," Orban said. Those wishing to immigrate to Europe should file their asylum application from centres outside the EU's external border and stay there until they are accepted by an EU country, he added.