Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Well to say you were in a position of responsibility, your opinions and thoughts belittle that of someone who is supposed to have run a business..

You might argue that conurbations like London and other high density area's dosn't give a true picture of the available land across the UK as an whole,a lot of it not suitable for building houses on, but what you refuse to except is that no matter where they put the immigrants they have to be housed, schooled, and treated at Doctors surgeries and Hospitals, and on the roads infrastructure..

When do you say enough is enough??...

grannyboy

Keep the personal abuse down,please, and particularly towards Haystack. There's surely no need for it.

And 'Haystack left'? Hmmm? Not so. But he is somewhat left of 'Attilla the Hun'.

IMHO, his posts are usually extremely solid and based on facts and reality.

However, I do wish he would take just a little time to add his source's URL address when he Copies and Pastes. Not that I would ever accuse of of 'editing them up' but it would be nice to check and also give credit to the original author.

Exec,

I though Hays gave lessons to Attila or was that Granny?

The immigration problem has nothing to do with population density. France has a very low density but the effects of immigration on infrastructure such as health and nhs would be just as bad in any country.

The anti immigration lobby uses population density as a weapon. The reality is that you can get the whole population of the world onto an area slightly bigger than the Isle of Wight.

I am less bothered by the numbers than I am about the effects without spending on key infrastructure areas that we cannot afford.

ExecLine(461) "Keep the personnel abuse down, please"

I don't believe i've been excessively abusive by any means, just where it waranted it.

As to "IMHO, his posts are usually extremely solid and based on facts and reality."


Well if you've just based that on today, and just read the posts today then you should go back over a couple of days postings, you will see we've had a few heated debates where haystack has posted something which has been incorrect and which i've corrected, he's not liked it of course, but i don't like deceivers and those who accuse people of being racist and little Englanders for stating the FACTS and the truth..

And if you come into the haystack mould, then you know what you can do...

As you can see from haystacks stupid reply to population density...

IE: "The anti immigration lobby uses population density as a weapon. The reality is that you can get the whole population of the world onto an area slightly bigger then the Isle of Wight."

Ho yes and would they be able to lay down in comfort, or is that standing room only..

Haystacks tries to make out everything would be fine and dandy, and he likes telling us that he dosn't want to have uncontrolled immigration, yet goes out of his way to make excuses for it....SENSELESS!!!..

I don't even want the level of immigration that we have now, but you won't stop it unless you have debates based on accurate data. Headlines from the Express and the Mail are not based on reality.

Most right minded poeple don't want the immigration that's been allowed now. The problem is we can't do a thing about it SO LONG AS WE ARE IN THE EU..

The reason you get headlines like those in the Express/Mail is because the government does not give out the true figures, or non at all, you can't trust them because they've got ulterior motives...At least the papers will be nearer the figures then the government...You can look back to 2005 when Labour said that ONLY around 13000 Poles would come over when they were allowed to vie for the jobs...Look how many came..

An 'Opinium' poll for the Observer puts the LEAVE side on 43% and the remain on 39%..

and therefore 18% undecided

i'ld be very surprised indeed if STAY did not carry the day, but certainly not with my help

true immigration figures are apparently going to be released a few weeks before the referendum, but it's unlikely that those will be any clearer than the hogwash we are currently fed

I don't think the polls will tell us much at the moment .

Maybe i'm just talking to the OUT brigade but most people i ask are voting out .

I get more confident as 'independence' day draws ever closer that the LEAVE side will triumph..One of the reasons been that the remains have been pumping the fear and scaremongering for all they're worth and people can now see it as that's all it is,, scaremongering...

They have made huge mistakes ,the best one being Jeremy Hunt saying leaving the EU could hurt our NHS.

The one from that Morgan women was a stonker to, when she said leaving the eu would jepordise youngsters future, but failed to mention that in Greece and Spain to name just two have under 24's unemployment of 50%....

it would be interesting to know the demographics by age of the unemployed in the eurozone in comparison to uk

The youth under 24's in Greece 48.6%, Spain 46%, Croatia 44.1%..

statista.com/statistics/266228/youth-unemployment-rate-in-eu-countries/

well found gb

the figures are for december '15, but close enough in time
uk is near the best at 13.5%, with nl at 11.2% and germany 7.0%
france is 25.9% and poland 20.5%

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Do you believe the figures produced by this government and its cohorts?

Unemployment down, Productivity, Deficit, Debt ????

If we were out of EU we could put whatever tariffs we wanted on whatever we wanted to - for god's sake the sooner we are out the better.

One also needs to think -
are we selfish voters - i.e voting for what is good for us as individuals .... or
are we unselfish voters - voting for what is best for the majority

Perhaps we need to sort our own heads out before we try and sort out the EU.
I suspect most of people are what I would call "selfish" voters