Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Theres more to it than free movement c. A lot more.


Freedom to trade is very important, but gets brushed aside .

Law is another one, the creeping grasping hand of Brussels must be stopped, they really don't know best.

of course max, but a trade deal is high on the agenda and needs to be

Fine, I have no problem with deals.

They could have one tomorrow, called no tariffs either way, and stick the rest up the proverbial.

cynic ,,,

"freedom of movement" problem ..... as i suggested before, perhaps imposing tough restrictions on who can claim benefits and under what circumstances would save face all round
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That wouldn't be much better than Cameron was trying to go for ,for me that would be a stitch up .

a good compromise is one where both parties feel hard done by

DC tried for tough restrictions on benefits but was refused
the position for both parties is now very different

I really believe that they won't win the next election if the free movement of people from Eastern Europe is not stopped ,meaning coach loads of unskilled folk arriving at Victoria and Dover day after day .
You should need a work permit to come here and stay just like the USA.

a great many very clever people will be trying to resolve this issue
coming over to work with a job to go to is one thing
coming over on spec or as part of an extended family or similar is something entirely different
the stakes are high for both sides

It's in the Guardian, so it must be true.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/19/-sp-search-for-only-briton-poland-claiming-benefits

Why can't i go and sign on unemployment in Poland or Lithuania and get the same as they get here ? i must go to Brussels and ask them .

just listening to some farmers on brexit
it was pointed out quite rightly, and as had certainly not occurred to me, that the blanket term "immigration" and "freedom of movement" about which we all get/got so heated, has 3 different aspects

a) full immigration (residential)- can be for a number of reasons
b) temporary immigration - may cover education, but in particular seasonal for agri/horticulture or catering industries
c) work permit with specific full time job attaching

all the above can be controlled with a specific visa, though of course it does entail proper enforcement, at which we currently seem very lax

to my mind, none of the above really contravene the idea of freedom of movement

jimmy - i believe you can but i suspect you won't think much of the polish benefit system and its level of handouts

Less money for the poor countries, so now complain............. The rich countries where paying for the new poor ones, One less on the rich list, means less money for the poor ones

Central European Countries Call On EU To Reform After Brexit Vote
Thu, 21st Jul 2016 16:13

WARSAW (Alliance News) - Britain's recent vote to leave the EU has sent a clear signal that the bloc needs to be reformed and respect the decisions of its sovereign member states, leaders of the Visegrad Group of Central European countries said Thursday.

"The EU has to return to its roots. It has to deal more with the concerns of its citizens and less with those of its institutions," Polish Prime Minister Beata Szydlo said after a meeting of the group.

Poland in July took over the rotating presidency of Visegrad Group, which also includes the Czech Republic, Slovakia and Hungary. The four countries were meeting to prepare for a special EU summit to be held in the Slovakian capital of Bratislava in September.

"With Britain leaving, the EU has lost its role as a global player," Hungary's Prime Minister Viktor Orban said.

He blamed the Brexit vote on the EU's migration policy: "This is why we have lost the UK."

The four EU member states strictly oppose Brussels' plans to impose a permanent redistribution of asylum seekers in Europe and want to drastically reduce the rate of arrivals to the continent.

"The aim of our refugee policy is to stop migration," Orban said. Those wishing to immigrate to Europe should file their asylum application from centres outside the EU's external border and stay there until they are accepted by an EU country, he added.

mentor - out of curiosity, if you voted, may one enquire as for which side you opted?

TM in Paris

British PM still taller than French President

Cynic

I was for Brexit from the very beginning, I did not have to wait like you for the last days

you can go back on my postings and see also I wanted Boris for Tory leader and PM, but the stabbing got him out of the race.
T. May moving well to the left may be alright, I was allways wanted a Party to be in the middle of Tory/Labour and maybe
she will have that point.

A good Joke
I wonder if Michael Gove went to the same "stabbing" school as you ( "goldfinger" is asking )

no need for reply is nothing to do with your roots

mentor - 28 Jun 2016 13:15 - 3808 of 4615 edit this post
I am for Boris, we need someone of younger age an vision for the future

Boris unsuitable for PM at present. He may develop while at FO.

i was just curious ..... in fact, i very nearly changed my mind that morning
btw, why do you persist with your silly game of trying to throw invalid muck? .... i thought you'd finally grown out of that ..... perhaps pay a visit to the Far9 thread on advfn and you may then understand

BoJo isn't PM material, he's already starting to look out of his depth,
and he changes his position too readily.

I was for leave in the 1990's ,i have always hated the meddling EU ,from 2004 onward when Blair opened us up to the Eastern European countries i wanted out even more .

Don't trust Amber Rudd or Boris ,May i'm not sure about yet. They might sell us down the river.

cynic
re - visit to the Far9 thread on advfn and you may then understand

I did long time ago, that is why I said " goldilocks " some time back, but the other one keeps changing nickname like there is no tomorrow, i wonder why, but i do know playing the same game as over here.

If the stabbing is not mortal, then cheese and chalk get together again online, like two peas in a pod.

just like you posting at me time and time again despite my Profanity

“Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer."
"Mark Twain ”