Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

I'm guessing it must have cyners, still funny :0)

this board needs some entertainment at times, and i've never minded setting myself up to be ribbed

I had a Sobriquet once but I traded it in for a Nomdeplume.

but was it from a fine vintage too?

i commend this article to all and sundry .... it's from this morning's Guardian ....

Theresa May will soon have to decide which Brexit to take | Martin Kettle

Why it's time to accept the fact that Brexit may never actually happen

It may be easier for Theresa May's government to endlessly delay the process rather than to actually leave

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/why-its-time-to-accept-the-fact-that-brexit-may-never-actually-happen-a7148816.html?utm_content=bufferd6f53&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Here is a link to your article cynic .

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/21/theresa-may-brexit-city-left-behind

Haystack that article is a load of tosh ,read the one above ,May knows she will lose the next election if she doesn't restrict the free movement of people .

I think you are wrong about that. It depends on how it is presented and how much free movement. The public are very gullible. It may be the price for trade agreements.

Here you go again ... The public are very gullible ... You think everyone is stupid and your Tory party can just run right over them ,well tell that to the 17.5 million people who voted leave .
I shall vote Tory IF the free movement of people is stopped otherwise i would vote UKIP as would many many others ,you had better believe it.

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Not really C, but it was either that or a Moniker. But both my wife and girlfriend said they wouldn't be seen dead with someone that likes a Moniker.. :)

WOW a wife and a girlfriend eh Iturama .

You forget that Hays passed the 11 plus Jimmy. Even went to Grammar School. Ooh..
Everyone else is stupid and gullible.

Just bragging Vicky. In my imagination only. It is possible to have both, but not for long.

Happy days are here again.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36864273


Britain's decision to leave the EU has led to a "dramatic deterioration" in economic activity, not seen since the aftermath of the financial crisis.
Data from Markit's Purchasing Manager's Index, or PMI, shows a fall to 47.7 in July, the lowest level since April in 2009. A reading below 50 indicates contraction.
Both manufacturing and service sectors saw a decline in output and orders.
However, exports picked up, driven by the weakening of the pound.
Business Live: Pound tumbles
Chancellor may 'reset' economic policy
The report surveyed more than 650 services companies, from sectors including transport, business services, computing and restaurants.
Chris Williamson, chief economist at Markit, said the downturn has been "most commonly attributed in one way or another to 'Brexit'."
"Given the record slump in service sector business expectations, the suggestion is that there is further pain to come in the short-term at least."
Mr Williamson added that the economy could contract by 0.4% in the third quarter of this year, but that would depend on whether the current slump continued.
'Heading for recession'
Samuel Tombs, chief UK economist at Pantheon Macroeconomics, said the figures provided the "first major evidence that the UK is entering a sharp downturn".

Well you could have voted to remain so don't know why you persist , Freda .

Fred only looks one way, it's his Nelson mode.

This is what happens if you read too many posts from Fred.

Happy days are here again...............

Fred HATES Britain and all of the British ,i wonder why he wants to see the UK decline .

Britain just got its first concrete sign that Brexit is going to destroy the economy

Britain just got its first concrete sign that Brexit is going to crush the nation's economy, after a grim set of PMI data released by Markit on Friday morning showed a "dramatic deterioration" in the economy since the UK voted to leave the EU.

Markit's flash PMI readings for the UK's economy, showed that composite output fell to its lowest level since March 2009, during the tail end of the global financial crisis.

Here is the scoreboard:

Services PMI — 47.4, down from 52.3 in June and at an 87-month low. The figure was well below the 49.2 forecast.
Manufacturing PMI — 49.1, a 44-month low, and well below the expected 50 reading.
Composite PMI — 47.7, a drop from 52.4 in June, and at an 87-month low.
The purchasing managers index (PMI) figures from Markit are given as a number between 0 and 100.

Anything above 50 signals growth, while anything below means a contraction in activity — so the higher the better.

The figures are a flash reading, meaning that they could easily be revised upwards or downwards when final readings come in at the end of the month. However, given that the readings are some of the first hard economic data to be released since Britain voted to leave the EU, and show a massive downturn, they're pretty important.

Speaking about the data, Markit's chief economist Chris Williamson said (emphasis ours):

"July saw a dramatic deterioration in the economy, with business activity slumping at the fastest rate since the height of the global financial crisis in early-2009.

in order book cancellations, a lack of new orders or the postponement or halting of projects, was most commonly attributed in one way or another to ‘Brexit.’"

And here is Markit's terrifying chart, showing just how massive the contraction in post-Brexit Britain has been so far:



Unsurprisingly, the data was not greeted happily by economists, with Samuel Tombs of Pantheon Macroeconomics saying in an emailed note (emphasis ours):

"The collapse in the composite PMI to its lowest level since April 2009 provides the first major evidence that the U.K. is entering a sharp downturn. If the PMI remains at July’s level in August and September, it will be consistent on past form with a 0.4% quarter-on-quarter decline in GDP in Q3. The confidence shock from the Leave vote might wear off over the coming months, but the decline in the new orders index to just 46.2, from 53.0 in June, points to even faster falls in output ahead."

Earlier on Friday, Markit data showed that the eurozone economy is currently showing "surprising resilience" to the Brexit vote, with PMIs falling a little in June, but beating the expectations of economists polled before the release, who had predicted a sharper decline.