Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Gf, you really are struggling when you keep blaming the Thatcher era for everything. How long is it since she was PM? I know time flies when you start getting older.

Thats strange doodles you were agreeing in post 46265 with mine and Freds stance. Your all over the place.

Not much consistency shown.

MaxK

Here's the 'UKIP IHT pledge' link:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/514045/Ukip-scrap-inheritance-tax

Gf , post 46265 is your post not mine. Since you conveniently seem to have missed the point, I was pointing out that Ed seems to think that chucking another £2billion at the NHS is magically going to solve all the problems. Why didn't he mention immigration? Doesn't he appreciate what a major problem it has become since his party opened the flood gates? It is truly amazing the numbers of people pouring into this country who can enjoy the benefits of our NHS without contributing a penny.

Tories have let more in this year than labour ever did, how do you account for that then????????????????????.

The truth is we are powerless under EU rules. Doesnt matter what party is in power and by the way it was Edward Heath who took us into the EEC.

DB,
Probably for the same reasons as those economic gurus or gnomes Cameron and Osborne haven’t mentioned the economic figure mention to-day regarding the success of their policies.
Why have the pair welcome criminal oligarchs who fled from their countries after stealing their wealth?

Leading to the increase and distortion of the London housing market, which is trickling into the rest of the country?
Is it because they get backhanders of “dirty money” into the Con party coffers?

Why hasn't Captain Marvel (Wavey Dave) and Osborne kept to the rhetoric over reducing immigration.
What was Enoch Powell chuntering on about in 1968, before he was chucked out by Heath.
When post war were the influxes of immigrants at its height.
However, have a look at the beneficial effect of immigrants to the overall economy and their functions in social and medical services etc..
Also, check the costs of the “privatisation” of the NHS, which has already occurred due to the actions of this government.

Check the profits, which are going into the hand of the Companies which have the contracts for “out sourcing” of “activities” which used to in house.
I agree with GF and have some insight to the problems associated with immigration and also the problems that those working in the area have bureaucracy surrounding.

But, to me, the present government is led by liars, or those who would be too incompetent to earn a living as PR agents.

It was hardly a problem if Maggie let in bankers.

She couldnt though refuse other groups.

Says it all hope exec sees this after praising IDS earlier today........

All speeches should be BANNED , there's no facts in them just BULLSHIT.

Cheers EL re: # 46281

By Telegraph View

6:20AM BST 24 Sep 2014

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In his speech to the Labour Party conference yesterday, Ed Miliband painted a disturbing portrait of a devastated Britain. It is not just the Union that isn’t working, he said, but our economy and our society too. Everywhere he goes, he meets voters who are worried about their children’s future, who see wealth and success being captured by the few at the expense of the many. So severe is the damage that it will take nothing less than a decade of Milibandism – a full two terms in power – before it can be made whole.


Britain is not, of course, the wilderness of Mr Miliband’s imagination. But if it were, whose fault would it be? The collapse of trust in politics, the shortage of housing provision for the young, the constriction of social mobility – all of these evils and more flourished on Labour’s watch during the 13 long years between 1997 and 2010. The greatest evil of all was, of course, the degradation of the economy and the public finances. Yet this was a subject that was virtually absent from Mr Miliband’s speech. It was claimed afterwards that he had planned to include a passage on the issue, and on immigration too – but, while reciting his speech from memory, simply forgot to include them. That such vital topics could slip his mind offers the clearest possible indication of how little his party has to say on either issue.


As for the sections that actually made it into the speech, there was not much that would have appealed to the floating voter. True, there were crowd-pleasing attacks on the bankers, and the tobacco firms, and those with the temerity to receive large incomes or own large houses (or relatively modest ones which happen to be in central London). This newspaper has rehearsed the cases against reintroducing the 50p rate, or bringing in a mansion tax, many times before; but in spite of their impracticality, the promise to soak the rich and give the proceeds to nurses and midwives was bound to be a crowd-pleaser. Indeed, it was one of the few moments in the hour-long speech when Mr Miliband and his audience both came alive.


Yet even as he laid out his vision of a socialist Utopia, the Labour leader seemed unwilling to spell out the details of how his revolution will proceed – let alone be paid for. Labour will build as many homes as the country needs – wonderful, but how? Labour will impose “equal rights for the self-employed” – what does that actually mean? Perhaps the biggest hostage to fortune was the pledge, repeated from last year, to decarbonise the electricity supply completely by 2030. Does that mean rapidly building new nuclear power stations and wind turbines? If so, it will cost billions – so where will they come from? And if the answer is private investment, rather than tax rises, how on earth can that be squared with Mr Miliband’s promise to freeze energy bills by government fiat?


In the end, the audience in the Manchester conference hall stood and applauded – partly because they had no choice, and partly because Mr Miliband had, as ever, told them only what they wanted to hear. As an appeal to the core vote, this speech may have served its purpose. But as a prospectus for government, it fell desperately short.

There's been some poor Leaders in the past but my God he's unelectable surely.

No!


Millibandus is a true man of the people!

ed putting up the white flag to isil he said we will wait till they kill us

he could never be a statesman more a coward a wimp

Abu Qatada just acquitted in Jordan.

Miliband said nothing about the defecit, the economy or immigration in his speech. Lots of complaints from the media about the lightweight speech that only appealed to the party faithful.

Tory rags spouting there usual bullsh-t.

Can tell when the Tories are on the run they all group together like lemmings, a bit like on the stock market.

UKIP are eating away at them since the Scotish vote and the Tory press are panicking.