Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Says it all hope exec sees this after praising IDS earlier today........

All speeches should be BANNED , there's no facts in them just BULLSHIT.

Cheers EL re: # 46281

By Telegraph View

6:20AM BST 24 Sep 2014

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In his speech to the Labour Party conference yesterday, Ed Miliband painted a disturbing portrait of a devastated Britain. It is not just the Union that isn’t working, he said, but our economy and our society too. Everywhere he goes, he meets voters who are worried about their children’s future, who see wealth and success being captured by the few at the expense of the many. So severe is the damage that it will take nothing less than a decade of Milibandism – a full two terms in power – before it can be made whole.


Britain is not, of course, the wilderness of Mr Miliband’s imagination. But if it were, whose fault would it be? The collapse of trust in politics, the shortage of housing provision for the young, the constriction of social mobility – all of these evils and more flourished on Labour’s watch during the 13 long years between 1997 and 2010. The greatest evil of all was, of course, the degradation of the economy and the public finances. Yet this was a subject that was virtually absent from Mr Miliband’s speech. It was claimed afterwards that he had planned to include a passage on the issue, and on immigration too – but, while reciting his speech from memory, simply forgot to include them. That such vital topics could slip his mind offers the clearest possible indication of how little his party has to say on either issue.


As for the sections that actually made it into the speech, there was not much that would have appealed to the floating voter. True, there were crowd-pleasing attacks on the bankers, and the tobacco firms, and those with the temerity to receive large incomes or own large houses (or relatively modest ones which happen to be in central London). This newspaper has rehearsed the cases against reintroducing the 50p rate, or bringing in a mansion tax, many times before; but in spite of their impracticality, the promise to soak the rich and give the proceeds to nurses and midwives was bound to be a crowd-pleaser. Indeed, it was one of the few moments in the hour-long speech when Mr Miliband and his audience both came alive.


Yet even as he laid out his vision of a socialist Utopia, the Labour leader seemed unwilling to spell out the details of how his revolution will proceed – let alone be paid for. Labour will build as many homes as the country needs – wonderful, but how? Labour will impose “equal rights for the self-employed” – what does that actually mean? Perhaps the biggest hostage to fortune was the pledge, repeated from last year, to decarbonise the electricity supply completely by 2030. Does that mean rapidly building new nuclear power stations and wind turbines? If so, it will cost billions – so where will they come from? And if the answer is private investment, rather than tax rises, how on earth can that be squared with Mr Miliband’s promise to freeze energy bills by government fiat?


In the end, the audience in the Manchester conference hall stood and applauded – partly because they had no choice, and partly because Mr Miliband had, as ever, told them only what they wanted to hear. As an appeal to the core vote, this speech may have served its purpose. But as a prospectus for government, it fell desperately short.

There's been some poor Leaders in the past but my God he's unelectable surely.

No!


Millibandus is a true man of the people!

ed putting up the white flag to isil he said we will wait till they kill us

he could never be a statesman more a coward a wimp

Abu Qatada just acquitted in Jordan.

Miliband said nothing about the defecit, the economy or immigration in his speech. Lots of complaints from the media about the lightweight speech that only appealed to the party faithful.

Tory rags spouting there usual bullsh-t.

Can tell when the Tories are on the run they all group together like lemmings, a bit like on the stock market.

UKIP are eating away at them since the Scotish vote and the Tory press are panicking.

The BBC were complaining about all the missing topics from the speech. UKIP have not increased their polling numbers. - DOOMED.

Ed Balls covered that yesterday.

Boris to the rescue

Coming up on the outside Nigel on Kippers!


Haze fallen at the fence and still dazed.

Captain Marvel retired to pastures.

Pork prices have gone down!

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Hey Wey....taken after Millys speech..............

Update - Labour lead at 6
by YouGov in Politics
Wed September 24, 2014 6 a.m. BST

Latest YouGov / The Sun results 23rd Sept - Con 31%, Lab 37%, LD 7%, UKIP 15%; ............ends

Just goes to show the BIAS of the press in general dominated by Tories BUT the people SEE THROUGH THEM.

Just look at the revival of UKIP again, this must be a massive headache for camoron and one he and his bum boy Lynton Crosby hadnt reckoned on.

How true Fred........

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Coming up on the outside Nigel on Kippers!


Haze fallen at the fence and still dazed.

Captain Marvel retired to pastures.

Pork prices have gone down!

Henry McLeish warns Labour are in danger of dying out in Scotland unless radical action is taken now
Sep 24, 2014 03:00 By Andy Philip 5 Comments
THE former first minister said Labour voters need clarification of the party's stance on issues such as social justice and morality ahead of the general election, Holyrood election and local elections.

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SNS GroupHenry McLeish says Labour must learn lessons from referendum
FORMER Labour first minister Henry McLeish today warns his party are in danger of dying out in Scotland unless radical action is taken now.

Although the No side won the referendum , Labour have been left reeling by the Yes vote in heartlands such as Glasgow and Lanarkshire.

And voters energised by the independence debate are sending membership levels soaring in the SNP and Greens.

McLeish said: “We can’t ignore this. It’s happening in solid areas of the old Red Clydeside and in Dundee.

“Far too often we are seen trying to catch the middle ground but it doesn’t exist. We need to get our values in order and explain what they are.

“Labour needs a review, not of leadership, but of the wider movement.

“What do we stand for now? How do we explain that?

“We need full autonomy from UK Labour so we can have a clear identity. Ed Miliband’s Labour is fighting for English votes on different issues .”

McLeish, who led the Labour-Lib Dem Scottish Executive from October 2000 to November 2001, said his party are running out of excuses.

He added: “In 2007 when the SNP won a minority victory, it was a wake-up call. In 2011 when they won a majority, it was a wake-up call.

“There have been a whole series more but Labour doesn’t seem to be able to react to them.

“A number of Labour voters don’t know where we stand anymore. On social justice, morality and a whole range of issues, we need to stop thinking there is an entitlement for people to vote Labour.”

Time is running out, he said, with a general election, Holyrood election and local elections all coming up in the next three years.

McLeish added: “I am, however, an optimist. A lot of people would love to vote Labour. But if we don’t catch up we will suffer.”

McLeish said the SNP’s amazing turn of fortune was helped along by Labour’s decline.

He said: “I don’t want to take away from the SNP success, but Labour made it easier than it otherwise would be. We need to stop ignoring these wake-up calls.

“The electorate is more volatile in Scotland than ever. We can’t ignore that Labour voters wanted to vote Yes. We’re not in good shape, and humility needs to be shown.”

He said that the party’s devolution commission, which set out proposals for more power at Holyrood, are still valid.

But he continued: “We had three parties putting forward proposals and Labour’s was least enterprising.

“That said, it’s not really only about what powers can be devolved. People in the street aren’t calling for specific tax powers, they’re interested in what parties stand for.

“Labour now has the opportunity to go it alone and to transform ourselves or there will be an almighty reaction at the ballot box.”