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THE TALK TO YOURSELF THREAD. (NOWT)     

goldfinger - 09 Jun 2005 12:25

Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Fred1new - 27 Sep 2014 09:47 - 46478 of 81564

And who are blinder that Manuel and Cameron,

Fred1new - 27 Sep 2014 10:08 - 46479 of 81564

And of course there are the Icons for the UKIPPERS.

goldfinger - 27 Sep 2014 14:58 - 46480 of 81564

ANOTHER TORY DEFECTION TO UKIP.

Mark Reckless, isnt half cutting into Camoron. On SKY NEWS now at UKIP party conference.

More defecors to to come they say.

goldfinger - 27 Sep 2014 15:03 - 46481 of 81564

3 seats now Hays, thats you 300% WRONG.

Haystack - 27 Sep 2014 15:35 - 46482 of 81564

No. There is possibly one if Mark Reckless doesn't resign. The other two have to win their seats. The fact is that UKIP still have not won any seats.

MaxK - 27 Sep 2014 15:54 - 46483 of 81564

Second Tory MP Mark Reckless joins Ukip

Mark Reckless, the Conservative MP for Rochester and Strood is defecting to Ukip, he announced at the party's conference in Doncaster




Mr Reckless said he had not taken the decision lightly but claimed the Conservative leadership was "part of the problem that is holding our country back".


Appearing on stage to a rapturous reception at the Ukip's conference, he said voters felt "ripped off and lied to".



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/11125635/Second-Tory-MP-Mark-Reckless-joins-Ukip.html

MaxK - 27 Sep 2014 15:55 - 46484 of 81564

btw, that's Dave and the Toffs he is referring to.

Haystack - 27 Sep 2014 15:59 - 46485 of 81564

I have seen it all before when MPs left Labour and started up the SDP. They had government ministers defecting and were showing 50%+ support across the country. At the GE they came nowhere and had to merge with the other no hopers, the Libs. It is just another flash in the pan.

Fred1new - 27 Sep 2014 16:09 - 46486 of 81564

The more I see of the Kipper party on the the TV this more it reminds me of the rhetoric and antics of the Oswald Mosley Brown Shirt period.

Good old Nigel!

Go for it my boy, and mine is another pint!

Haystack - 27 Sep 2014 16:39 - 46487 of 81564

Mark Reckless is also a toff. He went to Marlborough College and Christchurch Oxford. He has been a pain in the arse to Cameron for a while. He missed one vote because he was drunk. He will not be missed. It will be interesting to see what his constituents think about it.

Fred1new - 27 Sep 2014 17:27 - 46488 of 81564

I would suppose the quote below could be applied to "Marlborough" and a few others:

"Etonians,’ said Fraser, ‘are the ultimate pragmatists, totally free of any ideology. Other than the means of getting and gaining power, no conspicuous motives inspire them. It’s not clear that Etonian politicians really believe in much except themselves.’

MaxK - 28 Sep 2014 08:40 - 46489 of 81564

cynic - 28 Sep 2014 09:10 - 46490 of 81564

marlborough was actually founded for the sons of clergy and has never been well-endowed (lots of good jokes on offer there!)
in its day, it was rated very highly academically, but i don't think that is so now though i think it still manages to show quite well in "the tables"
fwiw, it was one of the first public schools to become co-ed

MaxK - 28 Sep 2014 09:33 - 46491 of 81564


Nigel Farage is just the beginning of Ed Miliband's problems


By Dan Hodges Politics Last updated: September 25th, 2014

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danhodges/100287754/nigel-farage-is-just-the-beginning-of-ed-milibands-problems/



Tomorrow belongs to me?




This morning Ed Miliband has finally given the green light for air strikes – on the UK Independence party.

As the people’s army gathers for its annual conference in Doncaster – a bold incursion into Ed Miliband’s own South Yorkshire heartland – Labour has launched a pre-emptive attack on the tweed insurgents. “Ukip claim to be on the side of working people, but the truth is they’re more Tory than the Tories”, shadow minister Michael Dugher claimed in a typically conciliatory press release. “Ukip is a party of Tory people and Tory money. Now they want to go even further than the Tories by giving another tax cut to millionaires.”

Nigel Farage has got Labour rattled. Though to be honest, at the moment everything’s got Labour rattled. The party was supposed to have emerged from its annual conference poised to sweep to power. Instead it finds itself in the midst of an existential crisis. “What kind of party are we?” asks the headline on the front of the normally ultra-loyalist Labour List website. A party having a nervous breakdown, is the answer.

A year ago Labour’s leaders believed that the party's vaunted 35 per cent strategy would see it safely across the finishing line in 2015. Now they fear Labour’s flanks are crumbling.

The resilience of the Tory vote – as evidenced in the European and local elections – alarmed Labour strategists. But they felt they had electoral insurance in the form of Ukip, (who they saw primarily as a problem for David Cameron to deal with), and Lib Dem switchers. They don’t feel that any longer.

First there is Scotland. It’s difficult to overstate the psychological – never mind political – impact the referendum campaign has had on Ed Miliband and his party. When he arrived in Scotland a week before polling day he genuinely thought he would be welcomed as some form of saviour. The man who would send the despised Cameron clan packing, and enable the Scottish people to safely remain part of the union. The truth cut his legs from under him.

“We’re finished in Scotland,”, one senior Labour adviser told me this week, “The SNP are going to hammer us in the general election.” The Scottish people may not have voted for independence. But they’ve declared a form of unofficial UDI, with serious implications for Labour. If Nicola Sturgeon can maintain Alex Salmond’s momentum, then from Labour’s perspective the West Lothian question will become moot.

Now there is Ukip. Everywhere they look, Labour MPs are starting to see Nigel Farage’s ghost. “We’re in real danger from them in the south” one Labour campaigner told me last month. “You don’t think they’re a threat to us in the north?” a Labour MP told me a fortnight later, “You’re living in a dreamland. All we get on the doorstep is Ukip.”

This week a sinister apparition has even been spotted in the Labour heartland seat of Heywood, site of the by-election to elect the successor to the highly respected Jim Dobbin. “Labour faces Ukip threat in Heywood” reported the Financial Times, in a headline that was echoed by several Labour insiders.

One MP described this dual threat from the SNP and Ukip to me as a “pincer movement”. But the problem for Labour is that the threat is actually coming from the same direction – Labour’s working class base.

It’s not 1997 new Labour switchers that are flirting with the purple peril, but hardcore Labour traditionalists. And it’s a flirtation that is currently terrifying Ed Miliband and his advisers.

That’s because it wasn’t supposed to be happening like this. Miliband, not Nigel Farage, was meant to be the insurgent. It was the Labour leader, not Alex Salmond, who was supposed to be seizing the mantle of change. The threat from Ukip and the SNP doesn’t just represent a shift in the political mood, but a repudiation of the Labour leader’s entire political strategy.

It also presents Ed Miliband with that thing he hates most, a series of difficult decisions. To insulate his core English base from Ukip would require him to shift-right. Tough lines on immigration, welfare and law and order would have to be deployed. But those are not the sort of messages that would necessarily appeal to voters north of the border. And they’re certainly not messages that would appeal to the Lib Dem refugees who have been attracted to Labour’s ranks by Miliband’s new political metropolitan liberalism.

Personally, I think the Ukip threat is being overstated. Labour voters will face the same choice at the ballot box as Tory voters – Prime Minister Miliband or Prime Minister Cameron. Prime Minister Farage is not an option.

The collapse of Labour in Scotland is more serious. Not least because there are no easy solutions. There are only so many times Gordon Brown can be sent out to act as Ed Miliband’s rather unconvincing body-double.

But in any case, Ukip and the SNP represent the symptoms, not the disease. The fact Labour is scrambling to react to the risks posed by these two minor parties simply underlines their failure to effectively take their fight to the real enemy, the Conservative party. Labour’s 35 per cent strategy was a flawed one from the moment it was conceived, the political equivalent of attempting to parachute onto a tiny island situated in the middle of a shark infested sea. There was no room for error. And as we saw in Manchester, the errors are now coming thick and fast.

Ed Miliband has ordered air strikes on Nigel Farage’s insurgents. But air strikes alone are never enough.

Fred1new - 28 Sep 2014 09:44 - 46492 of 81564

Fred1new - 28 Sep 2014 09:46 - 46493 of 81564

Just heard about a Frenchman in Soho asking for the sex parties and being told he had to join the Conservative party for those.

required field - 28 Sep 2014 11:03 - 46494 of 81564

Where do I sign ?...
Anyway....I think that the Homebase bosses must be retired RAF people !...
Have you been to a store and asked for something ?...it goes a bit like this :
Customer : good morning...do you sell paintbrushes and where are they ?
Sales person (equipped with a mouthpiece..perhaps headphones)...and linked to various satellites across the globe....: just a minute sir.....come in roger delta bravo....do we have.. what did you say sir ?
Customer : yes ..paintbrushes..
Sales person...:..paintbrushes....(better in a geordie or scouse accent)...I know we were told about these things...never used one myself (small chuckle)...I shall have to check with headoffice and sales...(crackle...zip..in headphones)...come in Mexico...molto bene.. inglese burro...zip crackle..come in yankee doodle !....do you have sighting and confirmation of paintbrushes in store ?...
Floor sales help (also equipped with gadgetery and various satellite links)...yes sighting confirmed and we have pinpointed location...over...
Sales person...to floor sales help...thank you.. yankee doodle foxtrot bravo...and then to customer : a team of experts location pinpointers is on the way and will guide you safely to paintbrush location...
Customer : (about to expire)...thanks...aghhhh...
finally....at paintbrush location in store (just in the first aisle)...and discover that the brush you want is out of stock but they will have some more in stock in a weeks time....but they can sell you a luxury ensuite bathroom or some exstock garden furniture !
Sales person : (still shouting into mouthpiece ) did you find everything you came for saarr ?.....
Customer ; ggnnngggggrrrr.....

aldwickk - 28 Sep 2014 11:38 - 46495 of 81564

Did anybody see this film last night.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/jakezamansky/2011/10/25/margin-call-is-for-real/

Fred1new - 28 Sep 2014 12:26 - 46496 of 81564

8-)

Just the place where Cameron should find a job when he is made redundant.

Fred1new - 28 Sep 2014 12:33 - 46497 of 81564

Manuel,

My tennis partner for over 10 years sent his children to Marlborough.

His kids are two of the nicest kids and young adults I have known.

I think they owe much to their parents.

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Parents don't always ----- you up!
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