Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Boris speech on BBC2 NOW

Max,

I did read it and for me reflects wishful and naive thinking.

All political parties evolve at different speeds.

Some, probably like UKIP and BNP explode on the scene and then hopefully will disappear into the past almost as rapidly.

I think the Labour conference in one way was a disaster for Ed and Labour, but may serve as a lesson not to be complacent and they needs to concrete their policies and make them presentable and understandable to the voters who wish to support them.

What surprises me how support seems to have been sustained in spite of the “debacle”.

To say the least the labour party looks as almost as directionless as the tory party and showing little idea about the needed long-term economic changes and policies, which allows the Con party to relying on cheap short-term divisive sound bites passing as policies.

As far as choice of political representatives are concerned, I would see it natural for some members of political minded families to be interested in following their parents.

The ethos of the family, often being passed from one generation to another.

It happens in all forms of life, Army, Teaching, Engineering, Medicine, Legal, Nursing etc..

Because one is from one “strata” of society it does not mean that there is a disconnect, or lack of understanding of others of different backgrounds.

There would seem less likelihood of Recklessly parachuting a candidate without political nous into a labour safe seat than a con man into a shire’s seat!

Also, I think Labour wishes to represent all parts of society and including the middle-classes, but is also aware of the complexities of “government” and needs trained, qualified, well educated and professionals individuals. To do so it needs graduates etc. but that does not mean rejecting its “working class roots”, but to extend those facilities for all.

In general, Labour and Lib/Dems can be seen as parties of inclusion, while the present tory party stands for the “privileged” and who have to the exclusion of those of who “have not”, happy to return to the “mores” of 1900s and the landed gentry.

So Fred, you are advocating inherited political positions?




What Labour’s Red Princes tell us about Britain


The UK has the lowest level of social mobility in the developed world, and the nepotism at the heart of the Labour Party reflects this.


by Sophie McBain Published 26 June, 2014 - 12:09




Royally red: Straw, Blair, Kinnock, Prescott and Dromey Jr. Montage by Dan Murrell




If Labour wants to convince disaffected voters that its politicians aren’t drawn from a narrow, self-serving Westminster elite, it has a few problems. The latest research found that 54 per cent of the party’s candidates selected in marginal or inherited seats (those with retiring MPs from the same party) for 2015 have already worked in politics or for think tanks. In comparison, 17 per cent of Conservative candidates are political insiders.



More: http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/06/what-labour-s-red-princes-tell-us-about-britain

Max,

You getting as daft as Manuel and Tanker!

Why am I daft Fred?


For pointing out the excesses of patronage inside the [former] workers party?


Is that really your position?

Just because Fred worked for a short time at a coal mine when he was younger [ in the office ] , He thinks his some sort of a Dennis Skinner

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I don't care if their parents are the king and queen of Siam, as long as the appointments are based on "abilities".

I assume they are/were vetted by the the local party "machine" and it is up to the voters whether they are acceptable.


The same applies for tories, Greens, Lib/Dems any other party.

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What I dislike is the inequality of opportunity for all "strata" of society often due to handed down privileges and financial advantage and "poorer" education by those without such benefits.

(Not easy to remedy or change, partially because of lack of "wish to" by those who have and inability and competence of those who have not and lack of "suitable" educators.)

Well. your position is a conundrum Fred.

On the one hand, the old school boy/dads/friends system is ok, if it's noo labour, but wrong if it's anyone else.



"What I dislike is the inequality of opportunity for all "strata" of society often due to handed down privileges and financial advantage and "poorer" education by those without such benefits."



I think you need to go back and read those articles properly, cos you sure as hell are missing the big points in your narrow but unfocused view of the world.

Look out TORY BOYS there is talk of Kipper NIGEL coming out with news tomorrow at the same time as Camoron takes the floor.

Being discussed on SKY news.

Maybe another defection, maybe rubbish but one jurno reckons 4 defections before GE in total.

Max,

I would suggest you reread what I wrote and the engage a few grey cells.

Are these 3 delights moving to UKIP as well?

Update - Labour lead at 5
by YouGov in Politics
Wed October 1, 2014 6 a.m. BST

Latest YouGov / The Sun results 30th Sept - Con 31%, Lab 36%, LD 7%, UKIP 15%

Arron Banks: Millionaire Tory donor defects to Ukip with £100,000 donation






A multi-millionaire Tory donor has defected to Ukip, announcing he will be giving Nigel Farage’s party a £100,000 boost on the day of David Cameron’s conference speech.


It is one of the largest single donations ever given to the Eurosceptic party and is expected to strengthen its upcoming by-election campaigns.

Arron Banks, who has made substantial donations to the Conservatives over a number of years, is the latest supporter to jump ship in recent weeks, Sky News reported.

MPs Douglas Carswell and Mark Reckless were the first to leave, followed by the former Deputy Mayor of London, Richard Barnes.

Mr Banks told Sky News he does not believe the Prime Minister will reform the EU or facilitate the UK's exit from it in the event of an “out” vote in the promised referendum.



More: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/millionaire-tory-donor-arron-banks-defects-to-ukip-with-100000-donation-9766314.html

“Being a member of the EU is like having a first class ticket on the Titanic. Economically, remaining in the EU is unsustainable."

But it is alright he is just a nobody!

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What is interesting is the commentary that "Cameron is setting out his stall for the G.E."!

When the remark was made the response heard was that the remark was being derogatory about stallholders.

Another remark about the tory conference in Birmingham was that the Spivs were back in town!


Perhaps, it was a conference for nobodies!

I am in the taimaio tenerife gf

Drinking a. Pint

Camorons been speaking 10 minutes and hes come out with at least a dozen lies.

He wants a country where you get something for something not something for nothing, ohhhhhhhhh indeed Samantha and Dave.