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THE TALK TO YOURSELF THREAD. (NOWT)     

goldfinger - 09 Jun 2005 12:25

Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

goldfinger - 01 Oct 2014 12:04 - 46566 of 81564

Camorons been speaking 10 minutes and hes come out with at least a dozen lies.

He wants a country where you get something for something not something for nothing, ohhhhhhhhh indeed Samantha and Dave.

Haystack - 01 Oct 2014 12:09 - 46567 of 81564

Excellent speech. What an improvement on Milibland.

MaxK - 01 Oct 2014 12:10 - 46568 of 81564

Anythings an improvement on millibum.

Haystack - 01 Oct 2014 12:17 - 46569 of 81564

At some point closer to the GE, the public will realise that they can't tolerate Milibland as PM. The same thing happened when Kinnock was ahead and lost badly on the day. It is an OMG moment, "we might have Milibland as our leader; shit".

goldfinger - 01 Oct 2014 12:17 - 46570 of 81564

Promises he wont be able to keep im afraid.

Haystack - 01 Oct 2014 12:18 - 46571 of 81564

With Milibland, it is promises that he can't remember.

goldfinger - 01 Oct 2014 12:18 - 46572 of 81564

Hays Kinnock didnt have UKIP to help him. Milliband does.

Enjoy your day its the last one youl get before being kicked out.

Haystack - 01 Oct 2014 12:19 - 46573 of 81564

The UKIP bubble will burst.

goldfinger - 01 Oct 2014 12:20 - 46574 of 81564

Already the analyst's saying he just cant afford the tax pledges.

Whats new, Camoron lieing through his teeth again.

goldfinger - 01 Oct 2014 12:20 - 46575 of 81564

The UKIP Bubble is getting bigger, at least 4 MPs at the GE.

goldfinger - 01 Oct 2014 12:28 - 46576 of 81564

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh "HOW DARE YOU, HOW DARE YOU"

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goldfinger - 01 Oct 2014 12:38 - 46577 of 81564

What you will get after the GE if you dont vote for UKIP.......

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goldfinger - 01 Oct 2014 12:41 - 46578 of 81564

What you will get going forward if the Tories have the slightest chance of getting in power..........

Class War 2014: The Rich Kids of Snapchat
Posted on July 19, 2014 by David Hencke

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If ever David Cameron’s claim that we are all in it together needed to be proved false, look at a site on Facebook called the Rich Kids of Snapchat.

Set up by a 17 year old British public schoolboy and liked by 244,000 people this site celebrates the life style of the super rich public schoolboys – the new generation expecting to run Britain in a decade or so.

Far from having any concern for the rest of us, this ” fun ” site worships money, fast cars, Gucci, luxury yachts and private jets,champagne and has an unhealthy interest in guns.

It is virtually the calling card of the new ” Bullingdon Club ” and the kids know they are the new ” boss class ” – the future generation of Tory Cabinet ministers, entrepreneurs and flashy businessmen and bankers. And some will have the vote in next year’s election,

Among the fun pictures are kids using £50 notes as toilet paper, £20 notes for tablecloths, handling guns to protect their estates from the ” peasants”, and commuting from home to public school by private helicopters or showing they have a £10m private bank account at Coutts.

Not surprisingly this has produced a reaction across the net with people calling for the site to be taken down, and a spate of hostile comments – sometimes producing ripostes like warning people to shut up as they will be their boss in future life.

More seriously as the Inforrm blog reveals these antics have posed problems for the more mature seriously rich parents who wish to hide their opulent life styles from the rest of us and pretend “we are all in it together”.

As the Inforrm blog says : ” The consequences could be very serious for those wealthy teens, and their families, where potentially inflammatory images appear which include identifying information such as faces, car registrations and locations.

One 19 year old, who frequently posted about his lavish lifestyle and who was featured on Tumblr site “Rich Kids on Instagram”, has already run into trouble, having had several luxury cars from his father’s rental business subsequently set alight by vandals, causing over £500,000 worth of damage to his father’s business.

Another featured ‘rich kid’ was Alexa Dell, daughter of Dell Inc. CEO Michael Dell, who posted an image of her brother tucking into a feast onboard a private jet, bound for Fiji. She also used her Twitter account to regularly post details of her location, complete with GPS location tagging- somewhat undermining the annual US$2.7 million her father reportedly spends on family security. Upon discovering this, Alexa’s account was removed and her image has been taken down.”

The blog rightly points out that in an era of unemployment and poverty where ceo’s have made people redundant this can be inflammatory.

It rightly adds:” a teen bragging about the lavish lifestyle of his or her CEO parent who has recently made redundancies or been the recipient of a sizeable bonus can easily catch the eye of a journalist on the hunt for a story – as can any images posted by a naive child who has a parent in the public eye. “

But to me the whole site seems symptomatic of a yawning divide opening up in the UK and the last thing I would want to see is it taken down. Such antics provide the perfect foil to attack the wealthy Lynton Crosby and the image he wants the Tories to present to the electorate of the ruling class in the next election. Spoilt brats revealing themselves for what they really are!

Meanwhile in true entrepreneurial fashion the site is up for sale by its 17 year old owner. He has been offered $150,000 by an American but might let it go for a mere $40,000 to a Brit with spare cash from his pocket money.

Haystack - 01 Oct 2014 12:49 - 46579 of 81564

Commentators all praising speech.

goldfinger - 01 Oct 2014 12:52 - 46580 of 81564

Andrew Neil and the Team seen through him, 'WHERES THE MONEY COMING FROM'

and WHEN?????????????????????????????? at least 2018.

Jam tomorrow as per usual.

Lies, lies and more dammed lies.

goldfinger - 01 Oct 2014 12:54 - 46581 of 81564

Hays, stop being stupid. All bar Finklestyne right winger and another liar are wondering where the money is coming from.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lies lies and more dammed lies.

Haystack - 01 Oct 2014 12:54 - 46582 of 81564

They always ask where the money comes from. It is because the commentators don't know.

goldfinger - 01 Oct 2014 12:57 - 46583 of 81564

Camoron again telling porkies "WE ARE BRINGING DOWN THE DEBT" ohhh dear caught again.

Haystack - 01 Oct 2014 12:58 - 46584 of 81564

They are bringing down the defecit.

goldfinger - 01 Oct 2014 13:02 - 46585 of 81564

The word “Tories” is an abbreviation of “tall stories” – Kitty S Jones

bitterfuture.jpg?resize=473%2C248What the Conservatives offer: This was described on Facebook as the most awkward photo of the Tory conference – rightly. Not only is she obscuring this year’s slogan in an embarrassing way, but she is doing it with what appears to be a fascist salute.

More information on the lies being told at the Tory conference comes from Kitty S Jones. Vox Political had intended to run a detailed piece but Yr Obdt Srvt had to deal with a slight emergency (being a carer, these things do happen) and now we’ll just quote the salient points:

“The deficit reduction programme takes precedence over any of the other measures in this agreement” – stated in the Coalition Agreement. Of course the truth is that this whole process of prolonged austerity is NOT about deficit-cutting. It’s just the cover for Tory ideology. It is actually about shrinking the State and squeezing the public sector until it becomes marginal, then non-existent, in an entirely market-driven society. The bank crisis-generated deficit has been a gift to the Tories in enabling them to launch the scuttlebutt that public expenditure has to be massively cut back, which they would never have been able to get away with, without the deficit-reduction excuse in the first place.

I am still seeing the “inherited debt” LIES that the Tories are still telling, despite official rebuke from the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) chief Robert Chote, and this is same Tory-led government lost our triple A Moody and Fitch credit rating, and that borrowed more in 3 years than Labour did in 13. Figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) showed that the coalition had borrowed £430.072 billion in just 3 short years, whereas the last Labour government managed to borrow just £429.975 billion in 13 years, and unlike the Tories, Labour invested most of what they borrowed in public services.

The much bandied-about 2010 deficit of “over 11%” is false. This is the Public Sector Net Borrowing (PSNB – total borrowings) and not the actual budget deficit which was 7.7%. (See OBR Economic and Fiscal Outlook March 2012 page 19, table 1.2.)

In 1997 Labour inherited a deficit of 3.9% of GDP (not a balanced budget) and by 2008 it had fallen to 2.1% – a reduction of a near 50% – now that’s impressive. It is implausible and ludicrous to claim there was overspending.

In cash terms a millionaire’s debt would be greater than that of most people. Therefore the UK would have a higher debt and deficit than most countries because we are the sixth largest economy. Therefore it is laughable to compare UK’s debt and deficit with Tuvalu’s where GDP/Income is £24 million whilst the UK’s income is £1.7 trillion.

In 1997, Labour inherited a debt of 42% of GDP. By the start of the global banking crises 2008 the debt had fallen to 35% – almost a 22% reduction (page 6 ONS). Surprisingly, a debt of 42% was not seen as a major problem and yet at 35% the sky was falling….lordy me.

The deficit was then exacerbated by the global banking crises after 2008. (See HM Treasury archives). The IMF have also concluded the UK experienced an increase in the deficit as result of a large loss in output/GDP caused by the global banking crisis and not even as result of the bank bailouts, fiscal stimulus and bringing forward of capital spending. It’s basic economics: when output falls the deficit increases.

The large loss in output occurred because the UK, like the US, has the biggest financial centres and as this was a global banking crisis we suffered the most – not as a result of overspending prior to and after 2008, as the International Money Fund (IMF) concurs.

The UK national debt is the total amount of money the British government owes to the private sector and other purchasers of UK gilts. The national debt now stands at £1.5 TRILLION (and rising), so a further saving of £3 Billion in benefits, as proposed by Osborne, will clear the debt in, say, a mere 500 YEARS.

People in poverty are targeted by the cuts 5 times more than most citizens. Disabled people are targeted 9 times more than most citizens. People needing social care are targeted 19 times more than most citizens (From: A Fair Society? How the cuts target disabled people).



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