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Israeli Gaza conflict?????? (GAZA)     

Fred1new - 06 Jan 2009 19:21

Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

ptholden - 23 Mar 2011 18:01 - 4658 of 6906

Not to mention dem pesky Kurds!

In The Land of the B - 23 Mar 2011 18:18 - 4659 of 6906

Don't leave the Christians out of this !
Or the Romans !
Or those nasty humanoids that started it all by leaving the Rift Valley and heading north - bloody trouble makers !

Haystack - 23 Mar 2011 23:15 - 4660 of 6906

Israeli occupation killed 10 Palestinians and wounded 43 since Sunday

Israeli occupation force launched more than 17 airstrikes and fired more than sixty artillery missiles against Gaza between Sunday 20 March to Wednesday 23 March killing ten Palestinians and wounded 43 others. The death toll is expected to rise as some of the injured are in a critical condition.

Haystack - 24 Mar 2011 11:11 - 4661 of 6906

Swiss President Micheline Calmy-Rey has announced her country is developing a project to open up all crossings to the Gaza Strip, which has been suffocating for the last five years from an Israeli blockade.

She also said if Egypt would agree to open the Rafah crossing to bring in building materials and commodities, her country would be ready to restore it.

The statements came Monday during a meeting with several high-profile politicians in Europe staged by the European-Palestinian relations council.

They met to discuss Switzerland's role in supporting the democratic movements sweeping the Mideast and issues affecting Palestine.

Discussions included British MP Lord Andrew Phillips, member of European Parliament Alexandra Faith, MEP Derek Vaughan from Wales, and Swiss MP Geri Mler.

For his part, Lord Andrew Phillips, who headed the delegation, said world silence was to blame for Israel's obstinacy, saying that Tel Aviv understands that silence over recent attacks has provided a green light for more attacks.

Swiss MP Geri Mler emphasized the importance of Switzerland's role in preserving the Geneva Convention brokered in the Swiss capital and stopping Israel from violating it.

Switzerland has recognized elections in Palestinian and kept contacts with both Fatah and Hamas.

yuff - 24 Mar 2011 11:44 - 4662 of 6906

All these bloody dogooders and noone gives a damn as to what rockets pour down on southern Israel.

Haystack-you reaklly are so fixated in your views that one cannot have a reasonable discussion with you.

there is no point,but for you to say that settlers kill settlers is the most outrageous statement I have ever heard.

You obviously have no idea about anything Jewish and the sanctity of life.

Israel will respond to Gaza rockets and terrorist attacks as and when. Israel will respond-it will never be the first.

Looka at the news in Libya and plainly you can see the type of person Israel has to deal with.

Egypt has already said they will maintain the peace agreement. Under no circumstances do they want control of Gaza. In fact they have a blockade in place on their eastern border-or have you forgotten this fact??

In The Land of the B - 24 Mar 2011 12:35 - 4663 of 6906

Since when do facts interfere with the parrot's "opinion" ?

Haystack - 24 Mar 2011 12:55 - 4664 of 6906

You mean rockets pouring down on illegally occupied territory. The increased rocket attacks are a response to Israel shelling Gaza and hitting it with air strikes killing children as they did a couple of days ago. As usual Israel makes disproportionate responses. All Israel will get is further attacks and bombs in response. You have to remember in all this Israel is the oppressor and the one illegally occupying Palestinians land.

Egypt are changing their stance day by day. The announcement of Egypt maintaining the peace treaty was a knee jerk response after Mubarak went. The later attitude is somewhat different.

Yesteday
Egyptian foreign minister Nabil al-Arabi has said ending the five-year siege on the Gaza Strip is a priority in Egypt.

The Palestinian ministry of foreign affairs and planning said in a press release Tuesday that it received a letter from the Egyptian FM praising bilateral relations between the two countries and confirming that ending the Israeli siege on the Gaza Strip and opening the Rafah border crossing are some of the country's priorities.

Tuesday
Egyptian Foreign Minister Nabil Al-Arabi said that a delegation from Hamas Movement is expected to visit the capital Cairo soon.

Hamas praised Arabi's positions demanding an end to the five-year economic blockade on the Gaza Strip.

Haystack - 24 Mar 2011 12:57 - 4665 of 6906

A Jewish settler who clubbed a Palestinian child to death with a rifle butt was sentenced to six months' community service yesterday in a decision denounced as an outrage by human rights organisations.

The sentence handed down by the Jerusalem district court yesterday is especially suspect because it was determined by the same judge, Ruth Or, who acquitted Korman at his original trial after rejecting evidence from witnesses and the state pathologist.

That verdict was overturned by the supreme court, which convicted him of manslaughter and sent him back to the district court for sentencing.

Haystack - 24 Mar 2011 14:08 - 4666 of 6906

yuff
What were you saying about the sanctity of life?

http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2010/10/15/settler-rabbi-celebrates-murder-of-palestinians/

Settler Rabbi: Celebrating Murder of Palestinians Great Mitzvah

Haystack - 24 Mar 2011 17:41 - 4667 of 6906

On Tuesday evening a reconnaissance drone from Israel was sent to fire missiles at the Al-Shajaa'iyya community east of Gaza city. The blasts killed three children, an elderly man and injured dozens.

A few hours later, a separate airstrike killed four people in the Al-Zaytoun district.

In The Land of the B - 24 Mar 2011 22:30 - 4668 of 6906

So a Hamas funded Al Mezan provides your latest "facts", huh, parrot?
Do you know what a parrot does? It repeats whatever it hears.
Parrot in name, parrot in deed.
Go on then, go and slice the throat of babies in their cots, parrot. Big man, huh?

In The Land of the B - 24 Mar 2011 22:51 - 4669 of 6906

I haven't noticed the parrot screaming about repressive Arab regimes (or Iran) slaughtering their own people, or Chinese repression or any other hideous things going on in the world.
Nor any criticism of Hamas or Hizbollah, whatever atrocities they commit.
No, just his totally one sided attitude against Israel.
That's why the parrot is a raging rabid anti-semite.

Haystack - 24 Mar 2011 22:53 - 4670 of 6906

Do you know what Israel does to Gaza on a daily basis? Because building materials are not allowed to be imported into Gaza, people have to gather gravel and stones for construction. They do this on the edge of Gaza city. If they come too close to the border then they are shot. They are still in Gaza and Israel shoots them over the border. This happens every couple of days. Dozens have died in this way. Gaza fishermen are fired on day after day injuring and killing several each week. Some rockets may be fired across the border from Gaza rarely hurting anyone. Israel mounts air strikes and fires artillery across the border killing families of Palestinians almost every time.

Do you also remember the Gaza pensioner who was shot in his bed a few weeks ago while he slept because the Israeli soldiers had the wrong house. They had only come to arrest someone, so why did they fire at a sleeping man?

Why would I complain about other regimes? This thread is about Israel and Gaza.

Haystack - 25 Mar 2011 12:22 - 4671 of 6906

Good to see that Egypt is getting on board the anti-Israel movement now.

The Egyptian Foreign Minister, Nabil al-Arabi has discussed with JosLuis Moreno Ocampo, the Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court (ICC), the possibility that the ICC listens to Palestinian demands that the court investigates the crimes and violations committed by the occupation against the Palestinian people in the occupied territories.

Ambassador Menha Bakhoum, spokeswoman for the Foreign Ministry said that activating the role of the court in ensuring no impunity for the perpetrators of those crimes, was discussed during the meeting which took place on Thursday.

Observers believe that the Egyptian Foreign Minister wanted to put pressure on Israel in light of suspicions that the Israeli occupation is planning a new aggression against Gaza.

In The Land of the B - 25 Mar 2011 15:22 - 4672 of 6906

Rubbish. Sloganeering propaganda lapped up by the parrot.
Hamas approaches the border to launch mortars. They know if they get into the free fire zone they are liable to be shot. Ordinary non-militant Gazans don't go there because they know that.
Same with fishermen, get into the free fire zone and you're asking for trouble as Hamas has frequently landed terrorists from fishing boats who have slaughtered Israeli families.
That's why they have free fire zones so that non-militant Gazans know not to go there.
They try to stop building materials getting in because they are used to build tunnels to smuggle weapons in from Egypt. My personal view is that that is wrong and building materials should not be embargoed.
I look at what happens objectively, unlike the parrot, and am prepared to voice my disagreement with SOME Israeli government policies, but many I agree with.
The Israelis do NOT occupy Gaza however often you say it. They left long ago.
You keep repeating the same lies like your hero, Goebbels, don't you parrot.
No don't answer, it's a rhetorical question. In your own words you refuse to be objective !
The pensioner killed. Terrible, I condemn it. I would think it was accidental or could have been careless. Still not in the same league as what they did to the Fogel family actually literally butchering them in their beds.

By the way, did you know your beloved terrorists actually sawed off the head of baby Fogel, aged three months?
And did you know there was celebrating in the streets in some villages and towns about that slaughter. Just like they celebrated after 9/11.
Is it surprising the Israelis build a wall to try and keep the bombers and butchers out?

Actually that particular butchery probably made you smile and think the settlement wasn't right (with which I agree) so the baby, siblings and parent "deserved" to be slaughtered.

That's the way the nazi mind works, doesn't it, parrot?

Haystack - 25 Mar 2011 17:17 - 4673 of 6906

I suppose it is similar to the way settlers celebrate when Palestnians are killed.

It is interesting that settlers are allowed automatic weapons and get protection from the Israeli Occupation Forces even when burning Palestinians crops and attacking villages in the West Bank. The Palestinians get no arms to defend themselves of course. I guess the cowardly ILLEGAL settlers prefer sitting targets especially when they are unarmed.

Haystack - 25 Mar 2011 17:21 - 4674 of 6906

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/patrick-cockburn-israel-may-have-squandered-its-last-best-chance-for-peace-2252292.html

Trouble coming Israel's way!

From today.

"No wonder the Israeli establishment was aghast as it watched Mubarak being gradually forced from power. Israeli leaders bad-mouthed Barack Obama for not supporting the Egyptian leader more effectively."

"The Jerusalem bombing and the increased violence in Gaza are not in themselves going to produce a new crisis, but they are a reminder that the Israeli-Palestinian struggle remains at the centre of Middle East politics. So far, there is no sign that Israeli leaders have much idea about how to cope with the swirling political currents that are reshaping the region in which they live. Amid all the optimism about the spread of democracy the, struggle retains its capacity to return the region to conflict and war."

Haystack - 25 Mar 2011 17:34 - 4675 of 6906

Do you know that an Asian worker is suspected of the murder of the Fogel settler family. Mr. Fogel refused to pay 10,000 shekels in wages which he owed an Asian worker he hired. The worker threatened to kill the settler and his family.

The worker is suspected of committing the crime after midnight Friday using a knife then fleeing the scene. Israeli army knows of the information leading to the suspect but refuse to announce or deal with it.

The story of Palestinians celebrating and handing out sweets came from Fox News. The story has been contradicted even by Israeli charities.

It looks increasingly like people may have been too quick to condemn. I have only seen Palestinians condemning the killings.

It doesn't sound like the type of thing Palestinians would do anyway.

In The Land of the B - 25 Mar 2011 17:59 - 4676 of 6906

They have done it before !
Of course that does not prove they did it this time. We shall see, I have no special knowledge. If a Palestinian is convicted of the crime no doubt the parrot will say the evidence was concocted against him LOL. If someone else is convicted then so be it. Like British courts, Israeli courts usually get it right but by no means all the time.


The killings were condemned by the PA Prime Minister. Fayyad is a man of peace, not violence and hatred like the parrot and his Hamas friends.
Fayyad is pursuing a state by political and diplomatic means and I for one - and very many other Israelis - hope he achieves that aim. Under his influence the West Bank economy grew by 8% last year.

Eventually peace between Israel and the Palestinians will come, though I don't see it under Netanyahu. It's a shame Livni didn't form the government. The extreme right (yes they are in all countries) backed Netanyahu although he received fewer votes.
One of Israel's problems is their pure system of proportional representation.

In the meantime, parrot, you can pray and scream and lie and want Israel destroyed all you want. It's not going to happen LOL

You should try understanding and tolerance and peace and objectivity, parrot.
Then maybe your views might have some validity.
Until then you are merely a joke, an ignorant, boring copy and paste joke.

Fred1new - 25 Mar 2011 18:32 - 4677 of 6906

Hays,

I don't want anti-Israeli forces or political pressure.

What I would like to see is honest ongoing negotiations for a peaceful and realistic settlements with cessation of the ongoing Israeli abuses.

What I would like is to see unbiased arbitration to get a decent settlement for all parties, but unfortunately the present Israeli leadership in unable to negotiate honestly or respectfully with the Palestinians.

Difficult, but I think the sand in the egg timer is running out for a peaceful lasting settlement.
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