Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

I thought is Boris at first.

jimmy and others - what do you actually want to achieve through brexit? ..... more importantly, do you think uk should abandon any chance of dealing with eu without (probably hefty) tariff surcharges?

finally, what do you think can realistically be achieved?

The offers are coming through already c.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/24/tory-mps-react-with-fury-as-eu-leaders-consider-uk-emergency-bra/



Not good enough, but a start.

nowhere near as evasive as fred, but what chance of answering the questions i raised?

I want out c, trade only. No strings!

If Canada can do it, why not us?

you're right albeit that it took many years to negotiate and i think is still not formally adopted
of course the canadian economy is very small and would not threaten european companies in the same way as british ones might


hmm!
further investigation shows that all might not be as rosy (for all) as you might think
certainly the (very long) negotiations were carried out in total secrecy- why would that be? - and the following is said to be part of the deal

CETA includes the toxic investor-state dispute settlement (ISDS) mechanism, which allows companies to sue governments over any new law or policy that might reduce their profits in future. In a public consultation held in Europe, over 97% of respondents rejected the introduction of this new power for business. Yet the EU has gone ahead with it anyway, and CETA will introduce ISDS not only for Canadian companies but also for any US firms with offices in Canada (which is most of them).


by implication, that would knock on the head any legislation that prevented companies moving around their profits as they currently do, to avoid taxation at source of sale

no strings?
not quite as it seems it seems

The volume of trade is expected to be low. It has taken about 10 years to discuss and has been put on hold because of Brexit.

cynic ,i think you know what i want with regards to the EU ,Max's Telegraph article above is where i stand ,i want out as we voted ,i want control of all out laws ,money and above all our borders ,i do not want any European able to just arrive here and have the same right as you and me ,it's crazy.

It looks like Brexit is open to discussions, but also open to plenty of blood due to immigrant and refugees, new and old........

Syrian refugee, 21, hacks PREGNANT woman to death with a machete and injures two others before hero BMW driver runs him over in latest attack to shock Germany

Angela Merkel to face new backlash over open door immigration policy after new German attack by Syrian refugee

Tonight a Syrian refugee wielding a machete has killed a pregnant woman and injured two other people before being arrested by police. Last year one million migrants came to Germany.......

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/mailonsunday/index.html

A machete attack by a Syrian asylum-seeker has left one woman dead and two other people injured, police in south-western Germany say.
Witnesses said the attack happened after an argument developed between the man and the woman in the town of Reutlingen, near Stuttgart.
Police said the attacker had been arrested and there was no indication that it was terrorist attack.
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They are quick to dismiss a terrorist attack ,maybe it was not but look what they (the migrants) have brought with them ,Merkel does not want any of these horrific murders labelled as terrorist attacks .

Have a look at the reasons for and numbers killed Hungerford and Dunblane School Murders.

Jimmy

Any thoughts on Brits living a new life in homes they've bought in, say France, Spain, Italy.

TM is keeping these people on the hop because it's the EU who have the power over their lives.

But just imagine how they are thinking and similarly, those people too from, say Poland in the EU and who have bought a house: he's an engineer, she's a nurse, the kids are in a good school nearby and the both of them are worried sick about losing everything.

There's lots to discuss and it's not just to do with trade deals and immigration limits.

They will be fine. The ones that might be sent back will be the ones who came here as economic migrants without skills and have never worked, just claimed benefits.

Excec as Haystack says above ,immigrants who are already here and have set up a life for themselves should be staying (as they will if i'm correct) after all we invited them here and it would be wrong to say they must go .
It is the future ,how many more can we take ? we will always look to take skilled workers such as nurses etc but not just anybody .
The EU worked when there was a few rich countries in it ,the idea that really poor countries are now like a county or region with free movement is crazy .

The hold ups at the borders out of the UK by the French under the pretext of
stopping terrorist is just a ploy at the UK's Brexit, besides causing irritation
and hold ups to travelers, the european authorities should be concentrating their
efforts on where the true danger's are, on their southern borders...

But it shows you how little they value their citizens life, and that they put more
importance on their european project..

And the new excuse for these islamist terrorist is 'mental issues'...

Yes its call a cult...

Your dead right granny , this awkwardness is obvious . Same sort going on with our media i believe can't let it go .

Wait until the UK escapes from the EU and wonder what will be the waiting times or delays of "traffic" trying to cross borders within Europe.

Just another form of madness!

A bit stupid though when people want to spend their money in your country and they can't get there .

short memories ..... the french have a long history of strikes of all sorts during peak holiday times .... this is no different