Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Hays another driver say it should have been stopped 5 laps before the end. Asian chap forgotten his name.

I thought means testing was too expensive to operate?

So did I. Another Tory U turn.

6 October 2014 Last updated at 17:36

Vince Cable says Conservatives 'lying' over tax pledges
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29496477

David Cameron criticised for dodgy debt claim after claiming Britain had been reducing it's levels
Oct 06, 2014 18:41 By Jason Beattie

The Prime Minister said Britain had been "paying down its debts" during a Tory party conference this week, despite statistics suggesting otherwise.

Fraud: Cameron claimed Britain has been paying off its debt, despite statistics proving him wrong

David Cameron has been rapped for a second time by the statistics watchdog for making a dodgy economic claim.

The PM told the Tory party conference this week that Britain had been “paying down its debts.”

But the boss of the UK Statistics Authority, Sir Andrew Dilnot, pointed out that, while the deficit has fallen since the coalition came to power in 2010, debt has risen.

And he noted he had already rebuked Mr Cameron for making the same claim in a party political broadcast in 2013.

In a letter to shadow Treasury spokesman Chris Leslie MP, Sir Andrew said debt had risen from £997.4 billion at the end of June 2010 to £1,432.3 billion at the end of August 2014.

He went on: “It is clearly important for all parties to public debate in this area to understand the relevant statistical definitions and to distinguish changes in the level of debt outstanding from changes in borrowing per period, and to reflect these in their communication of the statistical trends involved.

“Public sector net debt is a measure of how much the UK public sector owes at a given time. Public sector net borrowing is the difference between total accrued receipts and total accrued (current and capital) expenditure over a specified period.

“The measure of net borrowing is frequently used by commentators to summarise the extent of any public sector ‘deficit’.”

Mr Leslie said: “These repeated attempts to mislead people about the Government’s failure to keep their promise that the national debt would be falling are unacceptable.

“For David Cameron to have been chastised once on this was bad enough. But to be reprimanded yet again shows this goes beyond error or mistake.

“We can only conclude that there is a deliberate attempt by David Cameron’s Government to mislead the public about their true failures on the national debt.”

Max,

Listening on and off to the Lib Dems conference I have a suspicion that they will do better than their opposition parties suggest.

Also, think Vince's speech will be seen as an relatively honest account and his opinion of Cameron and the present tory party resonates with the public.

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Vince's speech will be seen for what it was. He has never got over the fact that Osborne got the job he wanted when the coalition was formed. The bloke couldn't even get his figures right when the Royal Mail was floated!

GF,

I agree with you.


I have recently seen the Form for DLA (now called personal independence payment)

4,444 words, 7 pages font size 10 pt to complete the blank sections.

plus there's a 10 page doc to read as well.


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It is b. ridiculous.

The "forms" are aimed at a one of the groups in society contain the some of the most "defenceless" and needy in society.

Many of those incapable of answering the forms accurately and have little or no support.

It is designed by an incompetent uncaring administration under the direction of IDS and a government which will leave a stench behind it.

GF,

I agree with you.


I have recently seen the Form for DLA (now called personal independence payment)

4,444 words, 7 pages font size 10 pt to complete the blank sections.

plus there's a 10 page doc to read as well.


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It is b. ridiculous.

The "forms" are aimed at a one of the groups in society contain the some of the most "defenceless" and needy in society.

Many of those incapable of answering the forms accurately and have little or no support.

It is designed by an incompetent uncaring administration under the direction of IDS and a government which will leave a stench behind it.

Absolutely Fred, IDS and his department are going out of their way to make all welfare claim forms nye on possible for a lot of disadvantaged people to fill in.

They also know they have cut funding to voluntary groups eg, CAB where people could go to get help and also the DSS visiting team is now nearly extinct.

This is the nastiest government I can remember by a long way.

They just look after the very very rich and F the rest.

This the fourth poll in a row that has the Conservatives in the lead

Update - Conservatives lead at 2
by YouGov in Politics
Tue October 7, 2014 6 a.m. BST

Latest YouGov / The Sun results 6th Oct - Con 35%, Lab 33%, LD 8%, UKIP 13%;

Dodgy Dave done yet again for Lying about debt by the boss of the UK Statistics Authority, Sir Andrew Dilnot.

AND

Vince C proves he was lying to the country on the deficit.

Last weeks Tory Party congress was just one BIG LIE and the public have fallen for it.

Lets hope by the GE they have seen through this Tory Scum.

Hays 2% is not big enough to give the Tories an outright victory. They would again need Lib Dems, but I think this time Clegg would opt to go with Labour.

and i don't think any of you should pay any attention to these polls except perhaps to gauge a trend over several weeks

UK industrial production flat in August; still 9.6% below the pre-crisis peak http://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2014/oct/07/german-industrial-output-plunges-international-monetary-fund-growth-forecasts-business-live?view=desktop#block-5433a4a2e4b0cd82a095ed7c …

Certainly, support for the Tories and UKIP is strengthenenenening.

Certainly, support for the Lib Dems and Labour is weakenenenening.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2782970/Calls-Miliband-step-MPs-fear-election-catastrophe-Burnham-touted-emergency-replacement-poll-Tories-ahead.html