Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Doc Proc hit the nail on the head some months back, when he stated on this very thread that all Cameron needs to do win a majority at the general election is to UKIPise some Tory policies. He's got plenty of room to maneuver.

The major battle will still be fought with Labour over the middle ground, it's just that the middle ground is shifting a little bit to the right.

Milibland, on the other hand, as is rightly stated in Doods' article, is caught between a rock and a hard place. He'll be gone à la Kinnock, straight after Labour lose the election in spectacular fashion.

How do you cut your mustard then, Fishfinger?

with tomato sauce :-)

DB4,

I wouldn't wrapped chips up in the Telegraph and even less so the fish.

Ask Nigel and Cameron about

1) Bedroom tax?
2) Tuition fees?
3) Failings of NHS?
4) Doctors fleeing abroad to escape paying tuition costs?
5) Number of PhD students going to USA for avoid repayments of fees and guaranteed career structures?
6) Number of relatives using food banks?
7) Number of hours they are actually working?
8) Social services and welfare cuts?
9) Lack of pay rises in public services?
10) Job expectancy?
11) Are they benefiting from George Osborne's improving economy?
12) Do they feel they are all in it together?
13) Are the rich getting richer at their expense?
14) Do they think it is a fair country
15) Ask them if they feel the Mansion tax is fair?
16) Do they think somebody earning a high salary should be paying a higher rate of tax?
17) How long do they have to wait for a doctors appointment or in casualty departments?
18) How long do they have to wait for an ambulance or fire service?
19) if they have been broken into, do the police inspect the scene of crime or even log the event?
20) School buildings, roads and other infrastructures failing or not being repaired.
21)To cap all that if there is a flu epidemic this winter, the cracks will show even more!
ETC. ECT. ECT.


These are some of the questions that labour will be asking at the next election. No hurry, they can wait to do so and concentrate for the time being on long term policies not pie in the sky U-turns.

The focus will be on the economy and the failures and lies of the present government.

Racist immigration mantra, increasing the fear levels (terrorism) and scapegoating real problems won't get tories or kippers elected as a government!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11148942/Ed-Miliband-has-the-electoral-appeal-of-Gordon-Brown-warn-NEC-members-ahead-of-crunch-Labour-meeting.html

Ed Miliband has the electoral appeal of Gordon Brown, warn NEC members ahead of crunch Labour meeting

Members of Labour's ruling body expected to challenge Ed Miliband over leadership drift at key meeting on November 4

The Telegraph!!!!!!!whos the editor Fred Ive got doodlebug on filter.

UKIP wins in Clacton – but what does it mean? 10/10/2014

It means people in Clacton actually like Douglas Carswell and Lord Ashcroft was right in his tweeted appraisal of him:



Of course, that’s not what David Cameron has been saying. His mantra is – as many of you will be aware: “Vote UKIP – get Labour.”

He’s wrong, of course. People aren’t thinking in those terms at all.

They’re thinking: “Vote UKIP – get rid of the Conservatives.”

It’s just a shame that they are also wrong; Carswell is still a Conservative – all he has done is swap a conservative party for another conservative party, that is more extreme than the one he just left.

The other notable factor in yesterday’s by-elections is the BBC’s continuing (if tacit) support for UKIP – which can be seen most clearly in its references to the Heywood and Middleton election.

“Labour held on to Heywood and Middleton but UKIP slashed its majority to 617,” states the BBC report, which merrily misses the fact that UKIP remains unable to take Parliamentary seats from Labour.

Labour supporters don’t want UKIP.

Labour supporters don’t need a political party that is more regressive than the Tories.

Labour supporters agree with Ed Miliband, that UKIP “do not represent the interests of working people”.

Read between the lines. Who was UKIP’s candidate in Heywood and Middleton? The BBC report doesn’t name this person until very far down its story.

If you read the mass media coverage, you’ll think UKIP was the only party in these by-elections. Don’t.

If we are to learn anything from the result, it is that the Conservative Party is in deep, deep trouble.

If we are to learn anything from the result, it is that the Conservative Party is in deep, deep trouble.

Hays,

The smearing and denigrating of Kinnock the tories and the gutter press controlled by you friend Rupert, Daily Mail, Express and similar, as various sycophants (and said commentators) worked in 1992.

I think it will repulse many and rebound on the tories.

I suggest you look at the cracks in the confidence trick party, with the likes of Redwood, Jenkins, Cash, Boris, Osborn, Cruella and Gove, playing their games.

Must get a picture of the above and put on the walls of an urinal!

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GF,

It is just a right winged rant by a frightened press trying to keep the tory party in their pockets!

Diversionary tactic to try to draw attention away from the catastrophy which is creeping up on them.

Haze and DB4 can't imagine how the "blue" party is split.

GF.

The statement :

Cameron


"He’s wrong, of course. People aren’t thinking in those terms at all.

They’re thinking: “Vote UKIP – get rid of the Conservatives.”

It’s just a shame that they are also wrong; Carswell is still a Conservative – all he has done is swap a conservative party for another conservative party, that is more extreme than the one he just left."


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I thought Ashcroft was a tory donor.

OH, I remember he has his peerage now!

And is now telling the story as it is!

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Fred, if you actually appreciate who Dan Hodges is - then it can hardly be classed as a "right winged rant" !

Heywood and Middleton was a safe labour seat

Clacton was a safe tory seat


No more!


And just wait till those good soldiers in the marginals (all flavours) think through those by-election results.

Clacton and Heywood are only superficially similar. With Clacton they were reelecting an MP and that made the difference. Heywood was a brand new set of candidates. The two by elections were as different as the reasons for them happening at all.

he he just found out from our kid who was the editor of the piece in the Telegraph that doodlebug posted, non other than chucked out of Labour DAN HODGES.

Doodlebug in the future make sure you know about the message boy before posting articles like that and use the grey matter.

Mind I didnt expect anything less.

Poor lad.

You need to check your facts gf. Dan Hodges resigned from the Labour Party in protest at their Syria vote in September 2013. He wasn't "chucked out".

Dan Hodges is I think the son of Glenda Jackson. She is the MP of Hampstead. It looks like labour will lose Hampstead this time due to the mansion tax. It is the most marginal constituency with a Labour win by 42 votes and has some of the most expensive properties in the UK.

Thats true Hays I think she as just over one hundred votes majority but Labour are prepared to sacrifice a couple of seats in order for the greater good of the Mansion Tax and the funding of the NHS.

As for her relative Hodges hes always been a closet Tory and though he reckoned he had quit the labour party over the Syria vote it is no secret that the labour Whips had set about him and forced his hand despite his denials.

I got all the juicy gossip from my pal Rachel Reeves MP and shadow Minister in Leeds.

Hodges was truly disliked by the majority and is now trying to seek revenge through the Tory press but nobody takes him serious in the labour party.

So if you have taken that piece from Doodlebug at first hand id say dismiss it, it isnt worth the paper its written on.

I see Labour is ignoring its principles once again. Nick Bent has been chosen as Labour Parliamentary Candidate in Warrington South for the May 2015 General Election.

He is public school educated followed by Magdalen College Oxford. The voters of Warrington should appreciate Labour's efforts to find a man of the people to represent them.

David Cameron to unveil EU immigration crackdown following Ukip victory

The Prime Minister is poised to make a series of manifesto pledges designed to address the concerns of disaffected voters in the wake of Ukip's by-election victory






By Peter Dominiczak, Matthew Holehouse and Christopher Hope

10:00PM BST 10 Oct 2014



David Cameron will unveil tough plans to restrict immigration from the European Union within weeks to stop another Ukip MP being elected following Thursday night’s by-election.


Douglas Carswell, a former Conservative, yesterday became the first MP elected to Parliament for Nigel Farage’s UK Independence Party following a huge swing in support.


Conservatives warned that the decision by traditional Tory supporters to vote for Ukip would allow Ed Miliband to become Prime Minister if repeated in the general election in 209 days.


Labour narrowly won a second by-election by just 617 votes and Mr Miliband is also now facing a major challenge from UKIP in its traditional northern heartlands.


Mr Farage last night said that the two results show that “the whole of British politics has been shaken up in a way that the complacent Westminster class could never even have contemplated”.


He predicted that more MPs will now defect to Ukip in the coming months.

The Prime Minister is now poised to make a series of manifesto pledges designed to address the concerns of disaffected voters in the wake an overwhelming by-election victory



More promises here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11155570/David-Cameron-to-unveil-EU-immigration-crackdown-following-Ukip-victory.html

I think Hays is projecting his own tory reasoning, behaviour and traits onto others.