Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Fred, if you actually appreciate who Dan Hodges is - then it can hardly be classed as a "right winged rant" !

Heywood and Middleton was a safe labour seat

Clacton was a safe tory seat


No more!


And just wait till those good soldiers in the marginals (all flavours) think through those by-election results.

Clacton and Heywood are only superficially similar. With Clacton they were reelecting an MP and that made the difference. Heywood was a brand new set of candidates. The two by elections were as different as the reasons for them happening at all.

he he just found out from our kid who was the editor of the piece in the Telegraph that doodlebug posted, non other than chucked out of Labour DAN HODGES.

Doodlebug in the future make sure you know about the message boy before posting articles like that and use the grey matter.

Mind I didnt expect anything less.

Poor lad.

You need to check your facts gf. Dan Hodges resigned from the Labour Party in protest at their Syria vote in September 2013. He wasn't "chucked out".

Dan Hodges is I think the son of Glenda Jackson. She is the MP of Hampstead. It looks like labour will lose Hampstead this time due to the mansion tax. It is the most marginal constituency with a Labour win by 42 votes and has some of the most expensive properties in the UK.

Thats true Hays I think she as just over one hundred votes majority but Labour are prepared to sacrifice a couple of seats in order for the greater good of the Mansion Tax and the funding of the NHS.

As for her relative Hodges hes always been a closet Tory and though he reckoned he had quit the labour party over the Syria vote it is no secret that the labour Whips had set about him and forced his hand despite his denials.

I got all the juicy gossip from my pal Rachel Reeves MP and shadow Minister in Leeds.

Hodges was truly disliked by the majority and is now trying to seek revenge through the Tory press but nobody takes him serious in the labour party.

So if you have taken that piece from Doodlebug at first hand id say dismiss it, it isnt worth the paper its written on.

I see Labour is ignoring its principles once again. Nick Bent has been chosen as Labour Parliamentary Candidate in Warrington South for the May 2015 General Election.

He is public school educated followed by Magdalen College Oxford. The voters of Warrington should appreciate Labour's efforts to find a man of the people to represent them.

David Cameron to unveil EU immigration crackdown following Ukip victory

The Prime Minister is poised to make a series of manifesto pledges designed to address the concerns of disaffected voters in the wake of Ukip's by-election victory






By Peter Dominiczak, Matthew Holehouse and Christopher Hope

10:00PM BST 10 Oct 2014



David Cameron will unveil tough plans to restrict immigration from the European Union within weeks to stop another Ukip MP being elected following Thursday night’s by-election.


Douglas Carswell, a former Conservative, yesterday became the first MP elected to Parliament for Nigel Farage’s UK Independence Party following a huge swing in support.


Conservatives warned that the decision by traditional Tory supporters to vote for Ukip would allow Ed Miliband to become Prime Minister if repeated in the general election in 209 days.


Labour narrowly won a second by-election by just 617 votes and Mr Miliband is also now facing a major challenge from UKIP in its traditional northern heartlands.


Mr Farage last night said that the two results show that “the whole of British politics has been shaken up in a way that the complacent Westminster class could never even have contemplated”.


He predicted that more MPs will now defect to Ukip in the coming months.

The Prime Minister is now poised to make a series of manifesto pledges designed to address the concerns of disaffected voters in the wake an overwhelming by-election victory



More promises here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11155570/David-Cameron-to-unveil-EU-immigration-crackdown-following-Ukip-victory.html

I think Hays is projecting his own tory reasoning, behaviour and traits onto others.

Can I see Haze in the pit!

Sorry that is next week when it is explained to him.

And ======the rest of you.

...

If Haystack is an example of Tory reasoning, behaviour and traits then I find that much preferable to some of the Labour behaviour and traits as witnessed on this thread! At least you seem to understand the word "reasoning" Fred.:-)

What makes you so sure this so-called MansionTax would be spent on the NHS? Are you sure at least some of it wouldn't be spent on foreign aid, or dishing out more benefits to people who don't deserve them - ie those who think it OK to have limitless numbers of children with different partners and those who come to live in this country without any job prospects, money or a place to live?

Here is the story of the week

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/spain/11154107/Dwarf-stripper-gets-bride-pregnant-on-her-hen-night.html

That's a cock and bull story!

“Go F**k Youself” Gordon Petition Reaches 10,000 Signatures

Scottish nationalists have reacted with characteristic charm and good grace to their referendum defeat. The following petition now has more than 10,000 signatures:



According to the petitioner, “because Scotland is sick of listening to your wobble-faced lies, you useless absentee ex-politician sh*tebag”.

Dave's fighting again.....



David Cameron to unveil EU immigration crackdown following Ukip victory

The Prime Minister is poised to make a series of manifesto pledges designed to address the concerns of disaffected voters in the wake of Ukip's by-election victory






By Peter Dominiczak, Matthew Holehouse and Christopher Hope

10:00PM BST 10 Oct 2014





David Cameron will unveil tough plans to restrict immigration from the European Union within weeks to stop another Ukip MP being elected following Thursday night’s by-election.


Douglas Carswell, a former Conservative, yesterday became the first MP elected to Parliament for Nigel Farage’s UK Independence Party following a huge swing in support.


Conservatives warned that the decision by traditional Tory supporters to vote for Ukip would allow Ed Miliband to become Prime Minister if repeated in the general election in 209 days.


Labour narrowly won a second by-election by just 617 votes and Mr Miliband is also now facing a major challenge from UKIP in its traditional northern heartlands.


Mr Farage last night said that the two results show that “the whole of British politics has been shaken up in a way that the complacent Westminster class could never even have contemplated”.



More fighting talk here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11155570/David-Cameron-to-unveil-EU-immigration-crackdown-following-Ukip-victory.html

Hazes,

Post 47299

" decision to catch and dispatch Brooks Newmark MP – former minister for civil society, dressed in paisley pyjamas and waggling his genitalia at a mythical Tory PR blonde called Sophie – is its apparent heedlessness"


You can see what tory ministers expect from the party PR women.

Interesting reflection of the con party!

DB4.

"What makes you so sure this so-called MansionTax would be spent on the NHS? Are you sure at least some of it wouldn't be spent on foreign aid, or dishing out more benefits to people who don't deserve them - ie those who think it OK to have limitless numbers of children with different partners and those who come to live in this country without any job prospects, money or a place to live?"


I think attaching a specific item of tax to a specific item of government expenditure is "problematic", but I would assume that the connection you refer to is symbolic and has underlying cogitations of the way taxes are raised and distributed.

I would prefer to think of taxation going into one mutual pot and society as a whole drawing from it for the benefit as a whole. (What the divisions should be, let politics decide guided by society itself.

I think foreign aid given by one country to another, or especially "poorer groups in another country" is valuable. (Similar, to educating the “poor” in this country aiming at the long-term benefits it confers on the society.) (General, or academic education.)

One hopes that the aid helps to benefit the development of the society, educating, improving their hygiene and medical care, and socialising into more tolerant caring societies.)

The benefit is, that even though the "aid" is sometimes given patronisingly the receivers will think more generously towards the givers. That is in the way of future trade and "political" support.

Is some of the aid misdirected, probably is is criminally syphoned off by the "criminal” upper political, or governmental echelons in some countries?

Probably, yes.

Often, paid directly into their own pockets and sometimes into the "companies" owned by their friends. (Similar to what is happening to lesser degrees in this country.)

If "corruption" is happening, if possible then it should be negated. But an important feature of us providing aid to other countries is that is protective to the UK.

Another factor of Aid is its use to treat and contain disease within a country of “origin” preventing its spread to the rest of the world. That needs money which some countries can’t or don’t make available themselves.

Hopefully, like small pox, polio and malaria can be, or eventually will be eradicated.

Similar applies to Ebola, Zars etc..

It makes us “safer”!

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As far as breeding like rats, is concerned, Education, contraceptive information and “free” access to “contraceptives” and family planning is part of the resolution, but one of the best contraceptives was raising the economics circumstances and opportunities of a population. (They respond to the economic possibilities, families in general get smaller.)¬¬¬


Money to immigrants.

Depends on reasons for being in the UK.

Whether we have a ongoing responsibility to them through history etc. (Poles, Afghans used as interpreters, etc.)

The actual true cost, or effect on the UK economy.

Also, if an immigrant is found to open TB, I would prefer the cost of treatment than allowing him/her to sleep on the streets.

I don’t fancy walking around the streets stepping over bodies, because it is thought cheaper, or “that will larn them” attitude.


Should there be reform of immigration policies yes, but I think the problems are being blown up by the political attitudes galvanised by BNP’s, the party of Kippers and the anal Right wing of the Con party in an attempt to gain political advantage.

Should all immigrants/visitors to the UK be expected to justify their reasons for admission to the country?

Maybe. But justify the expense of administration against real gains.



I hope that answers your question. If you don’t think so and need further resolutions to them, ask Manuel. He has asked enough questions in the past, and has possibly read, or listened to, the answers and maybe able to help.

Ps.

Why did I write the above?

It helped to clarify my thoughts for myself.

Not Manuels! That would be impossible!

8-)