Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Disabled People Not Worth Minimum Wage Says Lord Fraud, Time For This Nasty censored Clown To Go

Posted on October 15, 2014 by johnny void | 49 comments

“Nearly everything I’ve done has been total chaos.”

Comedy toff and Minister for Welfare Reform Lord Fraud stopped being funny a long time ago. Of all the blundering censored idiots in the DWP, this failed banker, who cost investors millions due to a series of bungled deals, has shown the true face of the out of touch gilded elite that dominate all of the main political parties.

This is the man who thinks people queue up in foodbanks just for a laugh and not because they are hungry. The same prick who threatened every Women’s Refuge in the country with closure and wanted to charge the very poorest benefit claimants to have banks manage ther personal finances. The clown who doesn’t even know how much the dole actually pays despite being in charge of reforming it.

His recent comments at the Tory Party Conference, where he agreed that disabled workers are not worth the minimum wage, are a new low If he stays in his job after this we will know the truth about attitudes towards sickness and disability at the DWP, – as if we didn’t already. They are not just ignorant about disabled people’s lives, out of touch and incompetant. They actively believe that disabled people are worth less than non-disabled people. That they don’t deserve the same rights as non-disabled people. That if you are born or become sick or disabled, then you are a sub-class who should be forced into a lifetime of poverty carrying out below minimum wage work. Is it any wonder that unpaid work is fast becoming the new segregation for many disabled workers?

Fraud revealed his rancid opinions at a conference fringe meetings when utter censored, and Tory Councillor, David Scott (@David ScottW) said: “I have a number of mentally damaged individuals, who to be quite frank aren’t worth the Minimum Wage.”

Lord Fraud agreed saying: “Now, there is a small… there is a group, and I know exactly who you mean, where actually as you say they’re not worth the full wage and actually I’m going to go and think about that particular issue, whether there is something we can do nationally, and without distorting the whole thing, which actually if someone wants to work for £2 an hour, and it’s working can we actually…”

The comments came to light after Ed Miliband challenged David Cameron about Lord Fraud’s comments at Prime Minister’s Question Time today. What Miliband didn’t mention is that this very same bastard was at the heart of Labour’s own Welfare Reforms such as the shambolic and cruel Atos run Work Capability Assessment.

Fraud enjoyed impoverishing sick and disabled people so much that when the Tory Party weren’t elected he crossed the floor and joined them so he could carry on. He has been ususually frank about his incompetence, once admitting in an interview that: “Nearly everything I’ve done has been total chaos.” But he is a nasty piece of shit as well. In a just and moral society, both Lord Fraud and his boss Iain Duncan Smith would be put of trial for the horrific suffering their policies have caused. In the society we’ve got the best we can hope for is that he’s shuffled off to one of his mansions and kept out of public life permanently. It can’t censored happen soon enough.

IDS losing control of DWP as ESA numbers rise for fourth quarter running
Category: Latest news
Created: Wednesday, 15 October 2014 16:39

The number of people in receipt of employment and support allowance (ESA) and incapacity benefit (IB) has risen for the fourth quarter in a row, according to DWP statistics released today. At current rates of increase there will be more claimants in receipt of ESA and IB by the next election than there were when IDS took over. It also means that the enormous suffering caused by the massive IB to ESA transfer programme has so far reduced the clamant count by just 2.5%, a drop of only 70,000 out of over 2.5 million.

The latest ESA estimates by the DWP reveal that the number of people in receipt of ESA and IB rose to 2,515,000 in August 2014, the highest number of awards since August 2012.

In just the last three months, awards have increased by 35,000.

At current rates of increase this means that by May 2015 the number of claimants receiving ESA and IB will stand at 2.62 million, which is higher than the 2.61 million claimants when IDS took over the DWP in May 2010. The current trend reverses a long-term fall in the number of sickness benefits claimants.

It also means that in spite of the hundreds of millions of pounds spent on moving claimants off IB and onto ESA, the claimant count has dropped by just 2.5% since migration began.

A pilot involving 1,700 claimants being moved off IB and onto ESA began in October 2010, but migration proper did not begin until February 2011, when the claimant count was 2.58 million. It is now 2.51 million.

A massive amount of distress, hardship and worsening of health conditions has been caused by the IB to ESA transfer, which is far behind schedule and still not quite completed. It now looks as though all that suffering will have had absolutely no effect on the number of IB and ESA claimants, but will have enriched private sector companies by many tens of millions of pounds. If his success in cutting the benefits bill and helping the sick and disabled back into work is what IDS wishes to be judged by, then it seems likely that he will be judged very harshly indeed.

Well ive seen some cases of denial but the Cockneys Den thread takes the biscuit over on advfn.

Good old cockney loading the troops into longs and he started 4 weeks ago.

Just take a look.

The denial is almost laughable but I feel sorry for the poor investors/traders who have been lured in.

My goodness talk about green. Reference after reference to indicies support levels and DIVIS yes divis to be paid. Ohhhhhhhh dear a whole generation wiped out of the market.

At some time the Law Of Averages will mean buyers will come back into the markets, but just look at the damage done, look at the charts. Phew makes me break out into a cold sweat.

GF.

Gorffwys cyfaill. Yfory yn ddiwrnod arall.


Or something like that.

Hays as gone quiet today as all of the Tory Boys.

Where are they, sat drownding there sorrows with lord Fraud.

Do you mean the teddy boys!

some of us were playing golf and in any case, rarely bother to respond to your incessant stream of blather

What in the dark.

Cynic can you explain where the missing 400,000 claimants have gone, at least have a try eg, was it an alien space ship, was it a hole that opened up in the ground etc etc.

i have no idea what you're talking about, and suspect i shan't much care either :-)

Cynic post 47694 and a few posts under that.

wtf is esa?
and now i shall go up to pack for dubai :-)

Fred, for once I agree with you! Of course Lord Freud should be sacked immediately, his comments were utterly appalling. Putting aside party politics , if Cameron doesn't sack him within the next 24 hours then he is an idiot.

Cynic, did you lose your golf match? youve spoken about it on many occasions before.

Anyway have a good trip to dubai and keep your mouth shut dont want you getting ebola.

His comments were not really as advertised. He was asked about disabled people working and the minimum wage. He was prompted about not being worth the minimum wage. This is a reasonable query and answer.

The problem is that a disabled worker is not necessarily going to be as productive as a fully able person. I say not necessarily as some will and some won't. An employer may want to offer a person a job but cannot justify paying the minimum wage if the person takes say six times as long as an able bodied person. If the minimum wage is enforced then many disabled people will not get any job offers. I am very much in favour of the minimum wage, but there are situations where it is just not applicable if people want work. It is a straight choice for employers. If they have to pay minimum wage then they will take the most productive person for the money. Any other choice would be absurd. Why not run a company and choose the least productive staff and pay them as much as the most productive? That business should do well.

For once I don't agree with you Haystack! :-)

no - won nicely today though twas only a wednesday afternoon social
have been playing truly appallingly for the last couple of months, but at last slowly getting it all together again

Hays thats Hitler talk. Shame on you.

I think Fraud is just the beginning the whole DWP is rotten from top to bottom.

When the -hit really hits the fan you are going to see some headlines.

Just a pleasure not being able to see the posts of Fred and goldfinger.