Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

THE TORIES HAVE HISTORY.........

Tory MP Philip Davies: disabled people could work for less pay
Shipley MP describes criticism of his remarks that disabled people could work for less than minimum wage as 'leftwing hysteria'

Allegra Stratton, political correspondent
The Guardian, Friday 17 June 2011 18.51 BST



A Tory MP has sparked anger by suggesting that disabled people should work for less than the minimum wage to increase their chances of being taken on by employers. [s

Philip Davies told the Commons: "If an employer is looking at two candidates, one who has got disabilities and one who hasn't, and they have got to pay them both the same rate, I invite you to guess which one the employer is more likely to take on.

"Given that some of those people with a learning disability clearly, by definition, cannot be as productive in their work as somebody who has not got a disability of that nature, then it was inevitable that, given the employer was going to have to pay them both the same, they were going to take on the person who was going to be more productive, less of a risk.

"My view is that for some people the national minimum wage may be more of a hindrance than a help.

"If those people who consider it is being a hindrance to them, and in my view that's some of the most vulnerable people in society, if they feel that for a short period of time, taking a lower rate of pay to help them get on their first rung of the jobs ladder, if they judge that that is a good thing, I don't see why we should be standing in their way."

The mental health charity Mind dismissed the Shipley MP's comments as "preposterous". Richard Hawkes, chief executive of disability charity Scope, said the MP had got it "seriously wrong". "This reveals a lot about how we value disabled people – and what we think they have to offer when it comes to work," he said. "In fact disabled people can contribute as much to a workplace as anyone else.

Davies has a history of making controversial statements out of sync with his party high command. A Conservative party spokesman said: "These comments do not reflect the views of the Conservative party and do not reflect government policy."

In the debate, Davies was challenged over his remarks by fellow Tory MP Edward Leigh, who told him: "Why actually should a disabled person work for less than £5.93 an hour. It is not a lot of money, is it?"

But Davies said criticism of his remarks was "leftwing hysteria".

He said he had talked to people with mental health problems when he met recently with the charity Mind, and he said they agreed with his analysis.

Labour's Anne Begg, chair of the work and pensions select committee, called the remarks "outrageous and unacceptable".

"To suggest that disabled people should be treated as second class citizens is shocking and shows just what a warped world some Tories demonstrate they inhabit," she said.

If people insist on the minimum wage then disabled people won't get work in many cases.

hays very true. and would lose other benefits which would cost them more and reduce their benefit hand outs . the disabled need to look at the big picture getting better pay would cost them more and a drop in income long term .they would then get no further help

Plenty of voluntary work. Not tied to a contract. But yet again Hays you miss the point and are stigmatising disabled people as 2nd class citizens.

Lib Dems are going to be firing on all cylinders today, they want Fraud kicked out.

I dont as he will become more and more of a liability moving up to the GE.

Surely the wage for the job depends what the work person concerned is expected to do?

Someone who has a severe disability and cannot even move anything other than his eyes might actually be worth a very high salary and a good expenses package too. And here, I'm thinking of, say Professor Stephen Hawking.

But I wouldn't pay him at the rate of the minimum wage, if the job concerned was doing a Paper Round.

But I don't think he would apply for it anyhow so the problem sorts itself out.

These comments do not reflect the views of the Conservative party and do not reflect government policy."

I wonder what does?

"We are everything for everybody!"

"we are everything to all you hardworking fools who vote for us!"

"We will say anything to stay in power to cover up our mistakes!"

"We are the posh boys in the sweet shop!"

"we don't know what we are doing and neither will you!"

Don't forget that Freud also said at the same time that their benefits could be topped up to make up the difference if they didn't get the minimum wage. That would enable companies to take on disabled workers.

Question.....

Is diabetes a disability?
Discussion in 'Diabetes Discussions' started by bluboy, Aug 8, 2008.
bluboy

Can anyone tell me if diabetes is classed as a disability under currant government guidelines? and if so, why are we not told this so that we can claim benefits.

Answer.....

I beleive that diabetes is included under the 1995 Disability Discrimination Act in that employers can't exclude someone from a job just because they have diabetes. I think the only acception to this is the armed forces although don't quote me. I am fairly sure your employer is acting illegally in stopping you working nights just because of your diabetes and if he/she won't listen to your reasoned argument then it may be worth talking to your union rep if you have one or taking legal advice.

Although diabetes comes under the Disability Discrimination Act, I don't believe it automatically qualifies you for benefits (and believe this is the same for any registed disabled person) unless you are physically having difficulty caring for yourself or unable to work. I think there are lots of good resources on this site and on the http://www.diabetes.org.uk where you can get more advice or there's always the Citizens Advice Bureau. Good luck with your employer

Talking of Cleggy.

He was on the wireless this morning (LBC)

Asked about the (convicted rapist) footballer playing for Sheffield...and, would he shake his hand?


Ducking and diving, wouldn't commit one way or the other.

What a wanker!

Although diabetes comes under the Disability Discrimination Act, I don't believe it automatically qualifies you for benefits

disabled in the workplace
obviously it depends on the level of disability and how that might or might not affect the ability to do a certain job
however, if the job can be done sufficiently well by a disabled person, why on earth should they not be paid (at least) minimum wage?

There is a principle that once people have served their punishment then they should be treated the same as anyone else. Not sure I feel that way about paedophiles though.

Freud was only being asked about people who could not much work at all and would not usually get a job.

diabetes
generally speaking, diabetes can be well enough controlled, though it presupposes that the patient also looks after himself
my late biz partner patently did not and therefore died well before his time
however, another chap of my acquaintance is terrifyingly fit and my dentists children, who also suffer, also manage to keep this pernicious disease well under control

In that case, why didn't cleggy defend the guys human rights?


And what about the victims human rights?

BANK OF NEW YORK MELLON: U.K. WILL STILL BE THE FASTEST GROWING ECONOMY IN THE G7 THIS YEAR

GILTS AND MONEY MARKET INSTRUMENTS SUGGEST EXPECTATIONS ON UK RATES HAVE SHIFTED, MOST LIKELY TO JULY OR LATER FROM Q1 OF NEXT YEAR
BOE: ANY RISE IN INTEREST RATES FROM HISTORIC LOWS WILL BE DEPENDENT ON ECONOMIC DATA, ESPECIALLY WAGE GROWTH

It just goes to show you can't speak freely in this country any more without someone twisting your words or taking them out of context from with the whole conversation.

I thought we'd just had a hacking probe looking at how information is obtained to screw someone over...

A gang of Romanian beggars sleeping rough on one of London's most exclusive streets today demanded: 'We're EU citizens, give us houses'.

The 40-strong group sleeping in a subway under Park Lane have been accused of turning it into a 'slum' having lived in various camps near Marble Arch for 18 months.

Local businesses believe they have driven away customers because of the mess and members of the group urinating in the street and fighting with rivals.



Today the group said they are willing to pack up their cardboard boxes if Westminster Council found them homes.

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Demand: Romanian migrants have been camping in a subway in Park Lane and one member has demanded homes because they are EU citizens




















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Clear up: Westminster City Council has said the problems on Park Lane has cost taxpayers £500,000 a year




Detritus: Mattresses used by the camp are dumped on the pavement close to the Marble Arch subway






Detritus: Mattresses abd other items used by the camp are dumped on the pavement close to the Marble Arch subway

One middle-aged Eastern European woman, who refused to give her name, told the Evening Standard: 'We are from Romania. We are in the European Union. We need help with a house. Give us a house and we won't be here.'

EU migrants can claim a council house in certain circumstances.

Westminster Council says the problem of these Park Lane camps has cost the taxpayer £500,000 a year.

They have campaigned to evict the rough sleepers — even buying them tickets to fly home — but some just come back.





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the uk is full of the scum its time to take action and kick them out vote ukip and it will be done stop all benefits to the scum and stop them sleeping keep them up all night ever night keep moving them they will soon break up and leave
get the scum out