Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Here we are........

doodlebug4 - 15 Oct 2014 20:08 - 47722 of 47848

Fred, for once I agree with you! Of course Lord Freud should be sacked immediately, his comments were utterly appalling. Putting aside party politics , if Cameron doesn't sack him within the next 24 hours then he is an idiot...........ends

But this time he hides behind a Telegraph article undated and without the articles author.

The Cameroon thing about €urope is just tory central office trying to stop the haemorrhage of votes to ukip.

He's still trying to blow smoke up your ass along the lines that he can actually change anything....he cant!

No Cameron did not fool the Scots one iota, they will get everything they have asked for. What he did was a masterstroke, the destruction of the Labour Party in Scotland. Gordon Brown was the fall guy who fell into it. His defence of the Union was epic, if only he had shown the same as leader of the Labour Party. Still to use Fred's favourite word MIND, he is bound to make a fortune on the after dinner speech circuit made famous by his former leader BLAIR. Labour are history in Scotland! EVERY CLOUD !!!!

Oct 16, 2014 22:46 By Torcuil Crichton
THE Lib-Dem MP insists the pro-Union parties will honour their vow to the people of Scotland and will deliver on their promises within the agreed timetable.

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Scottish Secretary Alistair Carmichael tells MPs new powers are on way to Scotland
SCOTTISH secretary Alistair Carmichael today insisted that more powers are on the way to Holyrood.

He told MPs the vow made by the pro-Union parties to deliver more devolution for Scotland was already being acted on.

Carmichael said: “The vow, the timetable are designed to strengthen Scotland in a secure United Kingdom.

“That is what people voted for and that is what they will get – more powers in a Scottish parliament within a modern UK delivered to the timetable agreed.”

During a heated Commons debate on devolution, the fourth in four days, Carmicheal called on the SNP to act in “good faith” in the cross-party Smith Commission on devolution.

SNP MP Pete Wishart raised the point that up to 70 Conservative MPs have signed a parliamentary motion calling for a review of the Barnett funding formula.

Under the formula, Scotland gets more public spending per person than England because of the higher cost of delivering services in remote rural communities.

“Barnett is safe because it is in the vow,” said Carmichael, responding to Wishart.

And he rounded on claims by the SNP and some Yes supporters that Westminster is trying to backtrack on the vow, which was published on the front page of the Daily Record .

Carmichael said of Wishart: “He seeks time and time again to suggest that somehow the vow made by the party leaders was not made in good faith.

“He seeks at every turn to undermine public confidence in the vow.

Gordon Brown warns the Commons against the Tojan Horse of English votes for English MPsGordon Brown warns the Commons against the Tojan Horse of English votes for English MPs
“If he wishes not to accept the verdict of the people of Scotland that is fine, but if he and his party are to take part in the Smith Commission in good faith he should accept that all of us are taking part in good faith.”

In the half hour debate, Gordon Brown said David Cameron’s demand to limit the votes of Scottish MPs in Westminster is a Tory “Trojan horse” that would actually deliver independence.

The former Prime Minister said demands for English votes for English laws should not hold back more powers for Holyrood

The Kirkcaldy MP yesterday presented a petition signed by 120,000 Scots, including Record readers , demanding the terms of the vow be met without conditions.

The petition, organised online by the campaign group 38 Degrees, urges Cameron, Ed Miliband and Nick Clegg: “Please stick to those promises on the timetable you agreed. Scotland won’t accept less.”

Brown told MPs: “The people who signed it – Yes and No voters alike – are determined the vow made by all the three main party leaders on Tuesday, September 16, before the referendum is kept.”

Brown wants to spike Cameron’s English votes plan which would see 100 per cent of income tax devolved to Scotland and Scots MPs excluded from setting English financial issues in Westminster. Brown said that Cameron’s idea to limit the votes of Scottish MPs was “a constitutional crisis in the making”.

He told MPs: “This proposal to devolve 100 per cent of income tax and then exclude Scottish MPs from voting on income tax at Westminster is anti-Scottish but it is also anti-British

“By abandoning income tax as a shared tax, it threatens to end the pooling and sharing of risks and resources that underpins the unity of the UK.”

Brown told MPs there were 16 areas of agreement as the Smith Commission on devolution met for the first time. But there are still considerable differences on the level of taxes to be devolved.

Brown said 100 per cent devolution of income tax, as the Tories suggest, should be rejected.

Nice one Gordon, nice one son, nice one Gordon, let's have another one! Labour are finished in Scotland. Every Cloud! :0)

Lord Freud was talking to someone with a disabled relative on one way the government could help by topping up a lower wage so they could find work more easily, he was only trying to help. The reaction to his comment was unfair and way over the top.

QT tonight

That women Labour panelist was a political point scoring twat, the worst of the night.

And anybody who dared to say large number of immigrants were bad for the country were racist . And what rubbish Diane Abbott was talking on the Andrew Niel show, playing the card Black. they can't say that now East Europeans are not black so its not the color of her skin anymore

As I posted earlier alders Frauds incident cant be placed as a seperate entity...

goldfinger S - 16 Oct 2014 18:14 - 47838 of 47855 edit this post

Year 2000 to 2003,!!!!!! old historical rubbish.

One as to take this incident with Fraud and place it alongside present government attitudes/policy to the disabled and Welfare.

The present DWP is rotten from top to bottom and the charities know that.

Fraud cannot be seperated as a one off incident.

Good article by Fraser Nelson:


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/ebola/11167158/Ebola-may-be-gruesome-but-its-not-the-biggest-threat-to-Africa.html

having now read all the info watch videos on the football rape .he should never have been charged . go to any gig and you will see loads of girls dropping their nickers to get attention wanting sex I have seen it many times . as a lad of 18 could tell you of loads of women today I know who wee not ladies and when they see me they always look away and would never come into the local shopping centre .

before judgement read the facts .why was only one charged ?
the nanny state in action

immigrants let of rape because they said they thought it was not criminal
justice must be for all which under eu rules it is not
cry human rights and you walk away with a golden hand shake

TANKER tell me do you live in a very rough area?????

not relative to holmfirth i dare say :-)

no .

why is it the uk is the only eu country fighting and helping ebloa no eu country is doing anything the uk tax payer pays the price ever time . german French Spanish Belgian never do fcuk all or Poland swiz and many more close the borders andgt u of the stinking rotten eu

that isn't true either, but then why should one ever expect accurate comment from the village idiot?

but not from a family who run away and fleas is country .
only good people fight for their country

This thread can be incredibly funny at times - barking mad even. On that note, I'm off to walk my dogs!

come on VI, bring it on ... let's have a load more bileful nonsense from you .... let us all see just how stupid you can make yourself if you really try

un only the usa and uk are responding to the ebola crisis

Downing Street’s Ebola panic is a classic case of the politics of fear

Remember Sars? What about bird flu? Here we are again with the latest ‘pandemic’, having our insecurities cynically exploited



Simon Jenkins


The Guardian, Friday 17 October 2014


'The government should appoint a commission for the assessment of panics.' Illustration: Otto Dettmar


No one can tell me if Ebola is the worst plague since, variously, Aids, Sars, BSE or the black death. All I hear is that it “might” be. I do not mind being told no one knows. But what do I make of a prime minister who emerges from his Cobra bunker and declares “a very serious threat to the UK”, a US president who says it is “spiralling out of control”, and a World Health Organisation that says it is “the most severe health emergency seen in modern times … a potential threat of an unparalleled human catastrophe”?

We have lost control of the language of proportion. The result is an outbreak of crying-wolf syndrome. David Cameron and his cabinet currently tell me to be scared witless by Ebola, an attack from Isis, a resurgent Russia and global warming (sometimes). In July, the prime minister said we face being “cast back into the dark ages of medicine” because of a new strain of superbugs. This was capped two months later when Stephen Hawking declared that “the God particle could destroy the universe”. In small print it said this was “very unlikely”, but how unlikely is very?

Is this all scientific drivel, or merely abuse of the sacred word “could”? We have no tools for assessing such threats. There is no help from the Office for National Statistics or Office for Budget Responsibility. Tim Harford of the BBC Radio 4 programme More or Less tries to keep his head above the sea of tosh. But the only sane response is total scepticism of the motives of those seeking to make us afraid.

The real threat from Ebola, the subject of agonising coverage from Africa and panic measures from governments, is hard to assess. It has been around since the 1970s. It was eventually contained each time, including in the Democratic Republic of Congo earlier this year. If governments really thought it so terrifying they would issue a temporary ban on air travel which, in the digital age, is almost all non-essential. But when fear is in the air and politicians want to seem in control, who can tell?



More: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/oct/17/downing-street-ebola-panic-politics-of-fear-sars-bird-flu