Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Hays just accept your on a hiding to nothing here, all Doodlebug cares about his the investment he as in FLYBE.

He'l lie through his teeth to try and protect that, hes using you as a pawn and will no doubt be using your quotes to his advantage over the road on advfn at sometime this weekend copying and pasting at will.

Wise up hes a scumster who just looks after nos 1.

Doodlebug4 ARE YOU CHRISTOPHER HOLDEN????????????????
goldfinger Send an email to goldfinger View goldfinger's profile - 17 Oct 2014 20:54 - 47954 of 47984 edit this post

Doodlebug4 are you the poster using the handle Stigologist, ??????????????
goldfinger Send an email to goldfinger View goldfinger's profile - 17 Oct 2014 20:57 - 47955 of 47984 edit this post

Doodlebug4..... do you deny you have posted disgraceful, abusive comments & sent abusive emails using a myriad of fake, false identities. (One of Holden's wheezes is to sign up the site admin for sexually explicit material.)?????????????????????????????

MaxK thanks for your post 47963 - appreciated.

Common sense db, when you find yourself in a hole.....

LOL Max, think about it doodlebug.

Who wants to support a self interested plonker like you who only cares about Nos 1.

Its a shame but society as gone that way since the 1990s, forget your neighbour walk over them in the gutter on the street. Let them die as long as you are OK.

People are fed up with that, they want a more tolerable society and fair society only tonight the FED chief Janet Yelin as spoken about this were she wants income redistributed down to the lower classes.

Cheats like you (doodlebug) will be found out in the end and sympathisers like Max owt to take note.

A cynical stunt that backfired on Labour

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After shrilly demanding the resignation of the welfare minister Lord Freud for causing ‘great offence’ to the disabled, Labour’s Angela Eagle sat back with a smirk and waited for the thunderous applause of the BBC’s Question Time audience on Thursday evening.

It never came. Instead, this political lightweight found herself being bitterly rebuked for the shameless opportunism displayed by Ed Miliband’s party.

One audience member rightly accused Labour of being ‘extremely disingenuous’ in its attacks. Another was cheered loudly for lambasting Red Ed’s ‘disgusting’ and ‘hypocritical point-scoring’.



Angela Eagle found herself being bitterly rebuked for the shameless opportunism displayed by Ed Miliband's party
















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Angela Eagle found herself being bitterly rebuked for the shameless opportunism displayed by Ed Miliband's party

Yes, Lord Freud’s language was terribly misjudged – given the choice again, he would surely rephrase his comment that some disabled workers are not ‘worth’ the minimum wage.

But his point, as the public understood, was that it is neither compassionate nor fair to the disabled if the requirement for employers to pay £6.50 an hour is depriving them of the chance to find work.





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Indeed, far from seeking to pay them £2 an hour – as Labour disgracefully suggested – Lord Freud was debating the case for the State to top up their wages, so they had the dignity and fulfilment of a job.

Labour, which in 2003 proposed paying people with mental illness £4 a day, was not alone in feigning outrage.

Predictably, Nick Clegg claimed to find the remarks ‘distressing’, while charities which had advocated a similar policy to Lord Freud in the past also piled in.

Indeed, it is ever harder to distinguish the outpourings of some charities from official Labour Party propaganda.

Yet it is Mr Miliband who should be most ashamed – not least over the way he cynically kept quiet about Lord Freud’s secretly-taped remarks for two weeks, then deployed them at Prime Minister’s Questions to try to detract from Wednesday’s hugely positive jobs news.

The great pity is that, when the story broke, the Tory high command’s response was to denounce Lord Freud – rather than defend a decent man who had fallen prey to a dirty and unprincipled Labour stunt.

Truly, the behaviour of everybody involved in this offers a depressing insight into the shallow posturing that makes up so much of modern politics.





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Euro's long shadow

Last year, when Jose Manuel Barroso declared ‘the threat against the euro has essentially been overcome’, the Mail warned that the European Commission President was terrifyingly deluded.

Now the eurocrats are counting the cost as the fundamentally-flawed currency lurches back towards full-blown crisis.

Prices are rising at the slowest pace since the depths of the global downturn in 2009, fuelling fears that the eurozone is heading for a disastrous bout of deflation – which would make it harder for member states to service their crippling debts.

Unemployment remains unsustainably high with 18.3million out of work – including almost a quarter of under-25s.

Even Germany – badly hit by the ban on exports to Russia – is expected to slip back into recession shortly.

Most alarmingly, Berlin, Paris and Brussels are falling out among themselves, as Greece and France indicate they are no longer prepared to tolerate the austerity demanded by the euro’s German paymasters.

It’s tempting once again to thank our lucky stars that Britain is not part of this disastrous political project.

But, as George Osborne warns, the turmoil in mainland Europe will inevitably cast a pall over the UK economy, hurting our manufacturers and exports.

The Chancellor has done an excellent job in steering Britain towards recovery. But make no mistake: thanks to the continued folly of the euro, the stormiest of seas lie ahead.


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UKIP still at the no MPs won in the GE level.


Update - Labour lead at 1
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Latest YouGov / The Sun results 16th Oct - Con 31%, Lab 32%, LD 8%, UKIP 18%;

MaxK - 17 Oct 2014 21:41 - 47968 of 47990

gf, I hate to tell you, but db is correct about ebola.

You need to stop interaction between infected people...then it will die out.



Sorry Max.

Not quite so simple and the Fruit Bat and its ability to spread the virus, may be one of the ongoing problems of Ebola.


The Fruit bat apparently is main indirect vector.

Able to carry the virus, "not effected by it". spread by faeces, urine and saliva to other products ingested by other animals (Monkeys etc..) (Meat and food.)

Through that chain to humans and thence on!

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I think that vaccine is the future solution, but "hygiene" is the route at the moment with restriction of movement.

Give a thought to what would be the effect of this disease deliberately being loosed into a war zone the problem would be catastrophic.

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That is why it is a INTERNATIONAL PROBLEM and one reason why Europe and USA Etc have to take the responsibility as they do have sophisticated Departments of Health, Hygiene Epidemiology and Tropical Diseases

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Another problem is that although it doesn't seem spread through air and inhalation, there are question marks over whether this has occurred in Rhesus monkeys.

Fred to add to your post above........

Transmission

It is thought that fruit bats of the Pteropodidae family are natural Ebola virus hosts. Ebola is introduced into the human population through close contact with the blood, secretions, organs or other bodily fluids of infected animals such as chimpanzees, gorillas, fruit bats, monkeys, forest antelope and porcupines found ill or dead or in the rainforest.

Ebola then spreads through human-to-human transmission via direct contact (through broken skin or mucous membranes) with the blood, secretions, organs or other bodily fluids of infected people, and with surfaces and materials (e.g. bedding, clothing) contaminated with these fluids.

gf.

It's like a plot out of a book, in fact it's already been done some years ago.

Read it, the solution is quite simple and obvious.


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This could be expensive, not many dogs don't chase cats!


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/lifestyle/pets/11170604/Fines-of-20000-for-dogs-that-chase-the-postman.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11169809/Ed-Milibands-at-ome-in-EastEnders-Albert-Square.html

EastEnders producers were impressed – so much so that I can exclusively report they’ve commissioned the Labour leader to guest-write an episode. Insiders say Mr Miliband has effortlessly captured the flavour of the soap’s dialogue.

An extract from his script is published below.

LINDA CARTER is behind the bar. Enter PHIL MITCHELL.

LINDA: All right, Phil, what can I get you?

PHIL: Now, look. What I would say to you is this. There isn’t a simple answer to that issue. But I do want to make this point, because it’s an incredibly important point for the everyday working people of Albert Square. And the point is this. I would like a pint of lager, please.

LINDA: You all right, Phil?

PHIL: Let’s be very clear about this, Linda, because I know the everyday working people of Albert Square will want an answer to that question. The reality is this. I caught some geezer in bed with the missus.

LINDA: You what? Some geezer in bed with Sharon? What did you do to ’im?

PHIL: Linda, I want to be honest with you, because when I talk to ordinary families up and down Walford I get a very deep sense that they’ve had enough of this Tory-led Government’s lies about geezers in bed with the missus. So what I said to the geezer was this. I said: “Now, look, geezer. Let’s be very clear about this. I’ve got to say to you: 'Sling your hook.’ And I make no apology for that. Because I think that’s the right thing to do.”

LINDA: What did Sharon say?

PHIL: Linda, if what you’re asking me is, “What did Sharon say?”, then I can answer that very directly. She said to me, “Phil!” But I’m afraid I had to stop her there, because I wanted to make an incredibly important point.

LINDA: What?

PHIL: Linda, the point I made to her was this. It was: “Look, Sharon. I’ll come to the detail of this in a minute. But first of all I want to respectfully ask you to shut it, you slag.” And I think she understood the point I was making, because in Albert Square today there is a huge issue around slags needing to shut it. Under this Tory-led Government, the number of slags needing to shut it has risen by over 63 per cent. And I think David Cameron has to start listening to what ordinary families are telling us. Because what ordinary families are telling us is that they want you to shut it, you slag.

Enter MICK CARTER.

MICK: ’Ere! Phil! Did you just call me a slag and tell me to shut it?

PHIL: Look, Mick, the way I see it is this. I don’t think we should shy away from saying that you are a slag and telling you to shut it. But what I would also say to you is this. Leave it, you tart.

MICK: Right. Outside. Now.

PHIL: Mick, I think the very real challenge for this country over the course of the next five minutes is to punch your lights out. And that challenge is profoundly oriented towards need. You slag.

Was he scripting thinking of how Haze spend his time at home?

Lol Haystack !

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/oct/14/ed-miliband-party-alan-johnson-leadership-labour-mps

Labour has given up expecting to be inspired by Miliband

Alan Johnson has ruled himself out of a leadership challenge, so Labour MPs are reconciled to making the best of what they’ve got.

There is a new division in the Labour party. It is between those who want Ed Miliband to change the way he leads, and those who accept that he won’t. The old feuds, between defenders of Tony Blair, ex-acolytes of Gordon Brown and a nostalgic left that sees New Labour as a virus in the body of true socialism, are in temporary abeyance before the more pressing task of beating the Tories.

Even supporters of Miliband’s approach – those who welcomed his ambition to “turn the page” on the past and who engaged constructively with his “one nation” project – roam parliament with looks of glassy-eyed dismay. The party’s lacklustre conference, culminating in a bungled leader’s speech, ended any remaining hope that Miliband might illuminate his vision of a Labour-run Britain for a wider audience. “We languished in the comfort zone,” says one shadow minister. “It hardly felt like a party. It felt like a cult.”

Then came the Heywood and Middleton byelection. Coming within a few hundred votes of losing a safe seat to Ukip turned anxiety to terror. Shadow ministers who could once be relied on to defend Miliband now talk about what might be salvaged from this parliament and used to rebuild in the next one. Their fear is that sound strategic choices and shrewd economic analysis – the emphasis on a cost-of-living crisis and its explanation in terms of systemic flaws in the way Britain’s economy distributes reward – will be discredited because the man who formulated the ideas can’t express them as a battle cry.

Haze, has received the latest spiel from cons central office and like a good lackey is trying to spread it!

I wonder if Reckless wins his seat will he run for leader with Boris as side kick.

Did Boris learn his style in East Enders?

LABOUR needs to rediscover its sense of purpose and represent “a better Scotland”, the party’s last first minister has argued.



Lord McConnell, who was first minister for more than five years until the SNP won power at Holyrood in 2007, said the party had become “a political machine that is angry about what has happened in Scotland in the recent past”.

Instead of just attacking the SNP - which will be led by Nicola Sturgeon when Alex Salmond steps down next month - he called on Labour to focus more on setting out its own policies and priorities.

He also warned the forthcoming appointment of Ms Sturgeon - who he regards as more left wing than Mr Salmond - could make the challenge that the party is facing more difficult.

He told The Times newspaper: “I joined the Labour Party because it was a movement. My loyalty over years has not been to a party structure, it has been to a cause.

“In all the ups and downs I have had, the thing that has kept me going is a belief in a better society. The Scottish Labour Party needs to be a cause. It needs to represent the future and a better Scotland.”

He spoke out as a new group of Labour activists, who want the party north of the border to make radical changes, prepared to hold their first meeting.

The Labour for Scotland group wants the party to consider changing its name to the Independent Labour Party, and also supports Holyrood being given full control over income tax, as well as complete responsibility for welfare - a position which goes further than Labour’s existing plans for further devolution.

It states the party should pledge not to work with the Conservatives in any future Scottish independence referendums or “any other party whose policies are fundamentally at odds with the views of people in Scotland”.

Scottish Labour must be “fully autonomous from its London leadership”, it argues, suggesting the party north of the border should have the right to appoint its own full-time officials and write its own constitution.

Meanwhile Lord McConnell described the state of the party in Scotland as “very sad for Labour but more importantly it’s very sad for those we represent”.

He claimed senior figures in the party “have found it far too difficult to get over their anger at losing, their anger at Alex Salmond being first minister, their anger at the media for not holding the SNP to account enough, their general anger at the state of the world”.

He added: “What we haven’t had is an expression of what Scottish Labour stands for as we move through the 21st century. What is our purpose? Why should people support us? Why should we want to be the Scottish Government?

“We must rediscover our sense of purpose, our vision for Scotland, our ability to stand up and articulate the concerns of the people we most represent. We need policies and ideas that reflect that - and we’re running out of time.”

He said while Mr Salmond was “essentially a right-wing populist posing as a social democrat” Ms Sturgeon “is a social democrat”.

Lord McConnell added: “So if we’ve had a challenge of the last few years (her) election changes that dynamic even more. She is a post-devolution politician who is positive about the parliament, and Scottish Labour needs to be very aware of the scale of the challenge it now faces.”



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SCOTTISH INDEPENDENCE: Its core support alienated, its top echelons thirled to the metropolitan media, it’s on the road to nowhere, writes George Kerevan.


Of all the outcomes stemming from the referendum No vote on 18 September, the least noticed (because most counter-intuitive) is the disaster it is for the Labour Party in Scotland.

The extra 15 or 20 points the Yes camp won on top of the traditional bedrock support for independence came largely from Labour’s core electoral base. Labour’s pro-Union message was spurned not just by Glasgow’s white working class but by an Asian community totally alienated by the Cameron government’s position over Gaza. Even in its Pollokshields political bastion, the Sarwar political dynasty was unable to hold the Muslim vote for Labour’s pro-Union position.

True, Labour was able to mobilise support from trade unionists in the defence industries, who felt (rightly or wrongly) that their livelihoods were threatened by separation from the UK. But the Yes camp was always going to lose that particular constituency. On the other hand, the alienated poor in the housing schemes that ring the affluent city centre of Glasgow instinctively responded to the message being preached on the doorsteps by the young activists of the Radical Independence Campaign that a Yes vote would see off the chances of another Tory government “forever”.

The Scottish Labour leadership, abetted by the metropolitan media, wrongly tarred proponents of independence as tartan romantics – or even anti-English bigots. The reality is that, by the end, the Yes campaign had morphed into the beginnings of a genuine populist, anti-austerity movement like the “Indignant Citizens” in Greece or the May 15 Movement in Spain. Put another way, it was class politics – not old-style nationalism – that fired the Yes campaign.

The emergence of broad-based, anti-austerity movements across southern Europe has proved electorally lethal to existing mainstream social democratic parties. The once-powerful Spanish Labour Party is haemorrhaging support to Podemos, a loose coalition of anti-austerity activists groups founded only this year. Yet Scottish Labour wilfully discounts the fact that 45 per cent of voters felt so alienated from the capitalist system that they persisted in voting Yes despite dire warnings of economic catastrophe if they did not toe the Unionist line. Labour may not feel so smug after Chancellor Ed Balls introduces emergency cuts to keep the financial markets happy – and a Scottish equivalent of Podemos takes 15 per cent of the vote at the 2016 Holyrood election.

Perversely, had there been a Yes victory, Scottish Labour would now face a bright future. It would certainly dump its present lacklustre Holyrood leadership, which hardly shone during the referendum. But within a short period, the rejuvenated Scottish Labour Party might form the government of an independent Scotland.

Instead, Labour now faces Tory demands that Scotland’s representation at Westminster be slashed as a quid pro quo for giving Holyrood more powers. That will diminish Labour’s chances of forming a UK government. Never mind the fact that David Cameron is planning to create an English legislature that will be dominated by Ukip and Tory right-wingers. Will England then demand its own independence referendum?