Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

But remember if you do get back that perhaps this will be the new leadership of the Con party after Wavy Dave does another deal. Sorry U-turn!

Even if Reckless wins a seat for UKIP, he will have to win the seat again at the GE along with Clacton. If there is a resurgence of the Conservatives at the GE, UKIP could still end up with no seats. When there was an MP, Bob Spink, who changed parties to UKIP in 2008, he then lost his seat at the GE despite polls showing huge support for him. His constituency in Essex was very similar to Clacton. At the GE in 2010 he only managed 27% against the Conservatives on 44%.

Dave's fighting again....



David Cameron to 'propose cap on number of low-skilled European workers in the UK as part of negotiation talks with Brussels'

Prime Minister to put plans forward as part of new deal with the EU
Number of EU migrants entering UK every year would be capped to 100,000
Government will withdraw National Insurance cards and limit existing ones
Plans revealed as Government aims to redefine Britain's position in EU

By Jennifer Smith for MailOnline

Published: 02:01, 19 October 2014 | Updated: 08:12, 19 October 2014



David Cameron is expected to announce plans for a cap on immigration in speeches designed to set out the Conservatives' 'red line' rules on EU membership






The rest of the lies are here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2798729/david-cameron-propose-cap-immigration-scaling-national-insurance-cards-eu-negotiations.html

It sounds like a good policy. I wonder if the Libs or Labs will support it.

It's not policy, it's baloney, designed to hoodwink the electorate.

It wont work, no one believes a word that comes out of Cameroons mouth.

I believe it. I think you misjudge him.

You are entitled to your delusions.

Hazy,

Cameron could have drawn this about himself while the party he is supposed to lead devolves into an extension of the Tea Party.

Mind I would swap Palin for Theresa.

As you are.

David Cameron's plans to limit immigration through quotas for EU workers is illegal, European President says

Jose Manuel Barroso says freedom of movement is an essential principle, and suggests plans to limit national insurance numbers for migrants would be illegal under EU law






By Georgia Graham, Political Correspondent

10:28AM BST 19 Oct 2014

David Cameron’s attempt to control EU migration by capping national insurance numbers breaks EU laws because freedom of movement is an "essential" principle, the President of the European Commission has said.


In a clear indication that Britain will be locked into a battle with Brussels over the proposed changes José Manuel Barroso said: “The principle of freedom of movement is essential, we have to keep it.”


The Prime Minister plans to cut the level of migration from the EU by limiting the number of new national insurance numbers available to low skilled immigrants.


New arrivals from Europe would be given a temporary insurance number which would stop them from moving to Britain to work and claim benefits indefinitely.


However Mr Barroso has already suggested that the plans would be illegal under European law.

The cap on national insurance numbers for migrants is likely to be one of a series of “red lines” which will form the basis of The Prime Minister’s planned renegotiation of Britain's relationship with the EU.

The cap will be set to ensure that net migration falls to below 100,000 The Sunday Times reported.

The policy is thought to be the planned centrepiece of an upcoming speech by Mr Cameron setting out a tougher set of policies on immigration, it was reported.

Government sources have described the suggestion of a new policy for capping national insurance numbers as "speculation".

Currently net migration is almost 250,000 and blocking these migrants from working legally will prompt fears that they will still come to Britain and simply take jobs within the black economy without national insurance numbers.

Mr Barroso said: “What I can tell you is that any kind of arbitrary cap seems to me to be not in conformity with European rules because for us it’s very important the principle of non-discrimination. The freedom of movement is a very important principle in the internal market, the movement of goods, of capital, of services and of people.

“By the way, I remember when Prime Minister Cameron called me to ask the Commission to be tough ensuring the freedom of movement between Gibraltar and Spain... The principle of freedom of movement is essential, we have to keep it.”

He told BBC 2's Andrew Marr Show: “I have not yet seen the proposal, I cannot comment on it. What I say is that in principle arbitrary caps seem to me – seem, because I have to see the concrete proposal – in contradiction with European Union rules. That’s quite clear from my point of view.

However last week Mr Cameron said Britain must have “one last go” at clawing back powers from Brussels and cutting immigration from the European Union, David Cameron has said.

The Prime Minister pledged to take “further action” to address the concerns of voters and “make sure we have more effective control of immigration”.

Mr Cameron will hope the limit will help to win back voters who have abandoned the Conservatives in favour of Ukip and their tough stance on immigration.

Conservative MPs are very concerned that the party find a way to stop another Ukip MP being elected in the upcoming by-election next week, sparked by a second Tory MP defecting to Ukip.

This month Douglas Carswell, a former Conservative, became the first MP elected to Parliament for Nigel Farage’s UK Independence Party following a huge swing in support.

Labour narrowly won a second by-election by just 617 votes and Mr Miliband is also now facing a major challenge from UKIP in its traditional northern heartlands.

Nigel Farage, the leader of Ukip, said Mr Barroso had made it "crystal clear" that free movement of people is a non negotiable part of membership of the EU.

He said these comments were "fatally compromising Mr Cameron's pretence that he can in any way do anything to stop large numbers of European migrants coming to this country."

Lord Heseltine, the Conservative peer and former deputy prime minister, said the comments from Jose Manuel Barroso, the European Commission president, that the freedom of movement principle was not up for negotiation were inaccurate.

“He is the outgoing guy and it’s been negotiable ever since we’ve had new accession countries because there’s always been an anxiety that opening the door would produce a huge number of immigrants in a very short period of time so there’s been a phasing arrangement in place.

"What David Cameron is talking about is not saying we’re going to have a totally different shutter-type approach; it’s that we’re simply going to say there’s a limit to the speed at which an economy and a host community can absorb the often extremely desirable, talented and skilled people that come through in this process."

There you go Haystack.

db4 has just driven a coach and horses through Cameroons promises.


Http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11172379/David-Camerons-plans-to-limit-immigration-through-quotas-for-EU-workers-is-illegal-European-President-says.html

The EU will say it is illegal as they don't want change. It may well be illegal. It is not an announced government policy at the moment.

A more serious policy confrontation is looming. The European wide arrest warrant has to be ratified on a regular basis. The next deadline is December and Conservative backbenchers are planning to vote against it.

Not another U-bend for Wavy Dave.

The tea party cons are on the march.

Hazy is playing the Big drum, but beginning to forget the tune sent down for Central office.

I hope they are not claiming expenses for shoe leather!

fred / sticky ...... do you not find it "curious" that labour cannot establish a substantial lead in these polls, not least because as the election gets ever closer, the gap always tightens?

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sticky - on interest rates, the fat lady has clearly far from sung, as i see there is no rise now predicted until some time after the election :-)

Manuel,

Not really.

The Confidence Trickster Party has bought much of the news paper media opinion and PR (I refer to the papers which appeal to the lowest common denominator and mainly right wing.)

Of course this group has bought the Con leadership.

What they have paid for has probably been by mutual favours, promised or realised.

Also, the amount of "cash" being used by those of similar ilk to Ashcroft in PR or propaganda is vastly more than can be afforded by by Labour/lib/dem/greens.

I am not certain of the Kipper party's financing, but Farage is "MEDIA" news and provocative enough to draw attention to his latest "outpourings.)


The price of the charms each other has paid I don't know, but the reaping of rewards may be less than wished for.

PS.

Still think Labour will limp home and then when the have the true economic facts may wish they hadn't, but they will have time to be able to regroup.

What I think is very dismal is the lack of any real political heavy weights with long-term practical views for the economy of the UK and acceptance of its future role.

Manuel,

Another thing is the result of tory party policies are only just coming home to roost!

I think the failings and the effects of them will be more apparent to the "voters", especially the younger group who may turn out to vote. (Dashing of the hopes of graduates as far as "jobs" and and "mortgages".)

Failings of NHS, (But cancer response time by labour is not achievable within the next
10 years.)

Under-30s being priced out of the UK, says social mobility tsar
Alan Milburn says Britain is on verge of being permanently divided between haves and have-nots as young miss out on recovery
• Economy looks bleak for British workers losing out to technology

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/oct/18/under-30s-priced-out-of-uk-alan-milburn


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(This is good summary of the bad!)


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But sometime, or other, the UK political establishment has to settle down and work out what it wants for society as a whole, and then admit to what is achievable against the international backdrop.

fred - so you're now implying that the myriad of polls is rigged? ... that is an even more preposterous observation from you than usual!

for once thoroughly agree with you re the lack of top quality politicians of any hue, and indeed i have commented as much on a number of occasions

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merely an excerpt .....
Milburn is expected to be damning in his report about the failure of all political parties to protect the young from the consequences of global changes, and that helping the young into meaningful careers and off benefits should be made a priority.
Milburn said that he believed there had been a failure to provide many young people with the skills that could allow them to escape a life of poor pay.



so the nanny state should do this and do that and do the other, but i see no mention of young people helping themselves nor a damnation of encouraging young people to go to 3rd-rate unis to obtain 5th-rate degrees in subjects that have little application or value in the market place (the real world)


i fully accept that my comment isn't quite fair either
Nevertheless, surely one of the major problems is exactly that "young people" and indeed their parents have developed the mentality whereby they feel the gov't (the taxpayer) has an obligation to cottonwool their journey through life and given any problem, it is always someone else's fault

Manuel,

fred - so you're now implying that the myriad of polls is rigged? ... that is an even more preposterous observation from you than usual!


A bit like your thinking patterns.

I would substitute for "rigged" the word "distorted"
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Your second point,


I believed that in a democracy the government empowered should take the responsibility for leading the country and enabling the "less"competent to achieve "better" for themselves. (Wasn't thinking of when I wrote that, even though I do from time to time try to help you along the correct path.)


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It wasn't a nanny state when "education was proposed for all), nor was it a "nanny state" when the NHS was proposed for all in the UK.

Etc. Ect

It was for the benefit of all in the UK.

I think there is a responsibility for a government to govern and take its responsibility for all in society, including the weakest.

This government is not doing so.
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If you see an unemployed individual be hounded for drawing welfare allowances of one form or another and compare it with members of the government dinning out on and expense sheet at the cost of more for that meal being a multiple of their total weekly payments, of they will think they are "entitled" to their welfare.

As a matter of interest, is your recent trip to the ME tax allowable?

Did you take the cheapest "flight" to get there?

At the end to the day, without the "journey" would you be liable to pay more overall tax that you will, by taking it.

And don't give the spiel I am doing more business for Britain and therefore equate that against tax.

my trip is very much work-related and paid for by the company and affects my tax position not one penny ..... our employees on similar trips to say f/e also travel biz class and stay in really good hotels, as indeed they should