Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

The EU will say it is illegal as they don't want change. It may well be illegal. It is not an announced government policy at the moment.

A more serious policy confrontation is looming. The European wide arrest warrant has to be ratified on a regular basis. The next deadline is December and Conservative backbenchers are planning to vote against it.

Not another U-bend for Wavy Dave.

The tea party cons are on the march.

Hazy is playing the Big drum, but beginning to forget the tune sent down for Central office.

I hope they are not claiming expenses for shoe leather!

fred / sticky ...... do you not find it "curious" that labour cannot establish a substantial lead in these polls, not least because as the election gets ever closer, the gap always tightens?

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sticky - on interest rates, the fat lady has clearly far from sung, as i see there is no rise now predicted until some time after the election :-)

Manuel,

Not really.

The Confidence Trickster Party has bought much of the news paper media opinion and PR (I refer to the papers which appeal to the lowest common denominator and mainly right wing.)

Of course this group has bought the Con leadership.

What they have paid for has probably been by mutual favours, promised or realised.

Also, the amount of "cash" being used by those of similar ilk to Ashcroft in PR or propaganda is vastly more than can be afforded by by Labour/lib/dem/greens.

I am not certain of the Kipper party's financing, but Farage is "MEDIA" news and provocative enough to draw attention to his latest "outpourings.)


The price of the charms each other has paid I don't know, but the reaping of rewards may be less than wished for.

PS.

Still think Labour will limp home and then when the have the true economic facts may wish they hadn't, but they will have time to be able to regroup.

What I think is very dismal is the lack of any real political heavy weights with long-term practical views for the economy of the UK and acceptance of its future role.

Manuel,

Another thing is the result of tory party policies are only just coming home to roost!

I think the failings and the effects of them will be more apparent to the "voters", especially the younger group who may turn out to vote. (Dashing of the hopes of graduates as far as "jobs" and and "mortgages".)

Failings of NHS, (But cancer response time by labour is not achievable within the next
10 years.)

Under-30s being priced out of the UK, says social mobility tsar
Alan Milburn says Britain is on verge of being permanently divided between haves and have-nots as young miss out on recovery
• Economy looks bleak for British workers losing out to technology

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/oct/18/under-30s-priced-out-of-uk-alan-milburn


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(This is good summary of the bad!)


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But sometime, or other, the UK political establishment has to settle down and work out what it wants for society as a whole, and then admit to what is achievable against the international backdrop.

fred - so you're now implying that the myriad of polls is rigged? ... that is an even more preposterous observation from you than usual!

for once thoroughly agree with you re the lack of top quality politicians of any hue, and indeed i have commented as much on a number of occasions

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merely an excerpt .....
Milburn is expected to be damning in his report about the failure of all political parties to protect the young from the consequences of global changes, and that helping the young into meaningful careers and off benefits should be made a priority.
Milburn said that he believed there had been a failure to provide many young people with the skills that could allow them to escape a life of poor pay.



so the nanny state should do this and do that and do the other, but i see no mention of young people helping themselves nor a damnation of encouraging young people to go to 3rd-rate unis to obtain 5th-rate degrees in subjects that have little application or value in the market place (the real world)


i fully accept that my comment isn't quite fair either
Nevertheless, surely one of the major problems is exactly that "young people" and indeed their parents have developed the mentality whereby they feel the gov't (the taxpayer) has an obligation to cottonwool their journey through life and given any problem, it is always someone else's fault

Manuel,

fred - so you're now implying that the myriad of polls is rigged? ... that is an even more preposterous observation from you than usual!


A bit like your thinking patterns.

I would substitute for "rigged" the word "distorted"
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Your second point,


I believed that in a democracy the government empowered should take the responsibility for leading the country and enabling the "less"competent to achieve "better" for themselves. (Wasn't thinking of when I wrote that, even though I do from time to time try to help you along the correct path.)


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It wasn't a nanny state when "education was proposed for all), nor was it a "nanny state" when the NHS was proposed for all in the UK.

Etc. Ect

It was for the benefit of all in the UK.

I think there is a responsibility for a government to govern and take its responsibility for all in society, including the weakest.

This government is not doing so.
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If you see an unemployed individual be hounded for drawing welfare allowances of one form or another and compare it with members of the government dinning out on and expense sheet at the cost of more for that meal being a multiple of their total weekly payments, of they will think they are "entitled" to their welfare.

As a matter of interest, is your recent trip to the ME tax allowable?

Did you take the cheapest "flight" to get there?

At the end to the day, without the "journey" would you be liable to pay more overall tax that you will, by taking it.

And don't give the spiel I am doing more business for Britain and therefore equate that against tax.

my trip is very much work-related and paid for by the company and affects my tax position not one penny ..... our employees on similar trips to say f/e also travel biz class and stay in really good hotels, as indeed they should

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The restrictions of free movement may be illegal. What sanctions does the EU bring to bear on Spain for stopping free movement between Spain and Gibraltar? The answer is none at all.

Yes, and as anyone who has flown from this country into Gibraltar airport will know, trying to get across the border into Spain and then back across the border to fly home can be a nightmare for Brits when Spanish border control decide to throw their teddies out of the pram - which is quite often.

Manuel,

Your clarification reminds me of Orwell's "Animal Farm".

I will have to address you as Napoleon from now on.


Must read the book again.

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PS,

Expenses would reduce total profit and therefore effect tax paid directly or indirectly.

(It may be allowed, but.)

you're wrong yet again ..... i am here on behalf of a company in which i no longer hold shares
thus you're totally wrong on that count and you also seem to have conveniently forgotten that we treat all our personnel who travel on behalf of the company in the same manner

you must really find it galling - or at least you should if your're honest - that certainly in this instance, your far left socialist views fall absolutely flat on their face ......

either that, or you promote the view that all employees should be treated like shit to enhance the company's tax liability!

Napoleon

I suggest you rethink or just try thinking will do.

That is if an old reactionary like you is still capable of doing so!

stop squirming my little bolshevik!

Da tovarich!

Avanti o popolo, alla riscossa
Bandiera rossa, bandiera rossa
Avanti o popolo, alla riscossa
Bandiera rossa trionferà.

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Was frequently sung in the back bar of "Alex" when I was a student.

Almost better than La Marseillaise.

Almost as good as Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau, the translation would be lost on Napoleon!
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But I can remember 55 years ago.
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Napoleon seems to have difficulty in remembering yesterday!

Come up to date Fred, see what real skool is like thanks to you and your interfearing
socialist well meaning assholes.


http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article47791.html

Repeat that to the nurse and doctor in Casualty when you next attend.

Or the ambulance man if you are involved in and accident.

Or to your "son" if he develops a long term illness needed prolonged nursing and medication.

Or is unemployed for a long period.

Or when you need treatment for imbibing to much.

Schools, some schools have been deteriorating for years and went downhill after the crazy reorganisation under Shirley Williams and the constant starvation of money under Thatcher, who demoralised the teachers with constant re-organisations.

This teachers, university staff and other "professionals" are moralised and P off with Cameron, cronies and would not trust Farage or them with a barrow.

I suggest you have another drink and go to bed!


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Mind you could go back to the 1920s and 30s. You might be at home then!