Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

I'm beginning to lose the will to live here! Fred, this current discussion is about immigrants to this country who have been been convicted of various crimes and cannot be deported back to their own countries because of the Human Rights Act.

Good post Shortie.

The letter is actually an email hoaxed that went viral... How ever I think hoax or not it pretty much hits the nail on the head anyway....

Talking of nails as the old Chinese proverb goes "The nail that sticks out, is the one that gets hammered"... These immigrants would do well to remember this in our country and try to blend in a little harder..

What about Vegetarians and Vegans , the best solution would be is to provide a choice and/or allow them to bring their own meals in. Shortie .

Course it would be aldwickk, but that isn't the muslim way. Most of the time they just want everything done their way... This is England, a country where if you don't like what's on the menu you have the right to refuse to eat the menu, but not bloody change it....

Also worth noting in law;

The Church of England also has a law-making role in Britain. Twenty-six bishops (including the two Archbishops) sit in the House of Lords and are known as the Lords Spiritual. They are thought to bring a religious ethos to the secular process of law.

However, in an increasingly multi-cultural society, questions are being asked as to whether that role needs to be specifically fulfilled by Church of England Bishops. Future reform of the House of Lords could see the Lords Spiritual made up of a variety of Christian denominations and other faiths to reflect the religious make-up of Britain.

So keep an eye on Lords reform as you can guarantee a religious change will be put in on the quite..

There is a right to have different tastes and taboos, but not to inflict them onto others.

(As long as they don't contravene human rights of their own groups or others.)

Immigrants, should be expected to respect the culture of the indigenous population.

They should be expected to conform to the laws of the country they enter.

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They don't have to eat pork. But I had Jewish friends who ate bacon sandwiches.

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DB4,

My cousin came to this country on numerous occasions, but under changes suggested may not now be able to do so.

(Mind lifting his coffin onto the trailer and getting through customs would be another difficulty.)

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But if you think it easy for non-eu migrants to enter this country legally even when they have jobs available to them and sufficient financial support and "needed" for some areas of "works" think again.

The processes and procedures are a mine field.

Fred you said.

50 years ago, I had a cousin who was put in prison.

His crime was committed when he sat in a cafe drinking a coffee, when the "leader" of that country was making a speech on the radio.

The crime was that he turn to somebody and said "somebody turn that old fool off".

He served 4 years. With restrictions after serving his sentence where he could practice for another 10 years.

He was a qualified doctor, and many thought him suitable for a research career.

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If that country had been a signatory to the Human Rights charter, it probably would have be different. So if the UK hadn't have been a signatory to the Human Rights charter we would have treated that Doctor the same, so can you tell us who we treated like that before we signed it ?

should know better than to make such comments in your natural mother of communist russia :-)

The crime was that he turn to somebody and said "somebody turn that old fool off".


Was it Neil Kinnock who was making the speech ?

Napoleon,

Where did some of your genes escape from?



(Actually, it was at a cafe in Witney in 2018. So watch out!)

50 years ago aldwickk - steady on. How old is Kinnock?

Unemployed foreigners will be barred from claiming benefits, Iain Duncan Smith announces

Iain Duncan Smith, the Work and Pensions Secretary, says he wants to end the 'something for nothing' culture by tackling benefit tourism



By Steven Swinfoird, Senior Political Correspondent

5:43PM BST 22 Oct 2014



Unemployed foreigners will be barred from claiming benefits in Britain under the government's flagship Universal Credit scheme, the Work and Pensions Secretary has said.


Iain Duncan Smith said that a future Conservative government will end the "something for nothing" culture by withdrawing benefits paid to jobseekers from the European Economic Area.


Under the present system, foreigners can claim job seeker's allowance worth up to £72.50 a week after they have been in Britain for three months.


However Mr Duncan Smith plans to use Universal Credit, which will be fully rolled out by 2018, to end the "pull factor" which attracts benefit tourists to Britain.


He said: "The structure of Universal Credit is such that a person will not be claiming universal credit if they haven't established a residency here. It's different from Jobseeker's allowance. We actually lose a chunk of people that may well come. You start to lose the pull factor for being unemployed in the UK."


More: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/11180954/Unemployed-foreigners-will-be-barred-from-claiming-benefits-Iain-Duncan-Smith-announces.html

Immigration is a side issue in an attempt to distract the voters from the abysmal economic policies of this tory led government over 4 years.

With destruction of some of the principles of a decent society. Insurance may protect you except when the insurance company goes bust.

Suggest some who are ranting UKIP and "kick them out" have a look at the Goebbel rants of the 30s.

Many would have felT at home in that period.

labour over the previous 12 years wasn't so hot or are you going to claim otherwise?
did labour actually achieve anything of long term benefit in that period?
i'm not saying they didn't, but if they did, then clearly i and everyone else here needs reminding

The Arsenal match for some reason is on Sky 1 now.

Napoleon,

Did Labour make mistakes?

Of course.

If you look back you will see my criticism.

( One, especially use of PFIs and the bloody stupid remuneration and change of contract and responsibilities of GPS.)

Another crazy action was following USA into Iraq.

Also, too many reforms of education system.

Also, not sorting out the ducking and diving around tax legal an illegal.

Not restraining crazy levels of "borrowing".

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Did they do good things, yes.

Built decent hospitals and schools and improved infrastructure.

Attempted to improve social care in community.

Attempt to increase research in University.


Just a brief list.

But the "country" as a whole appeared more content and respecting of others than they do with the present fragmented society designed by IDS and his ilk.

(It was a partial delusion.)


They tried to repair some of the disastrous social effects of the Thatcher years and give society a sense of being on the same side.

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I am going back to making a Provence sauce for squid, prawns and cod.

Far easier.

Support for EU membership 'at highest level since 1991 with most Brits wanting to stay in'



Despite Ukip's rise in popularity, new research by IpsosMori found 56 per cent of British adults want to stay within the EU - though they still do want the relationship to change


Natasha Culzac

Wednesday 22 October 2014


Ukip’s recent clean-up at the European Elections, the swipes it seems to be making on the foundations of the Conservative Party and its clear populist style has, it appears, not made a dent in the level of support Britons have for EU membership.

In fact, new research by IpsosMori suggests that support for the European Union (EU) has grown and is at its highest since 1991, shattering perceptions that the UK is edging closer towards a swift exit from the single market.

The sample group had been asked which way they would vote should a referendum on EU membership be offered to them now.

Fifty-six per cent said they would stay in the EU – up from 44 per cent in 2012.



More: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/support-for-eu-membership-at-highest-level-since-1991-with-most-brits-wanting-to-stay-in-9811096.html

The general public seem more mature than the ranting immature right wingers.
Being in the EU. gives the UK to modify it when necessary and PERSUADE others are advantageous to all.

(A united EU response "may" have been more effective against Russia and also organise a more efficient response to the problems in the M.E. and such dangerous problems as Ebola or other calamities. (A change of virulence of a flu virus would be more disastrous and widespread than Ebola, and more difficult to contain. We would not be insulated from it.)

Also, of more importance it may provide the necessary to rule in the extremes of "free trade" at and the international movement and double dealing of some in financial world.


Not to-morrow, but perhaps within 20-30years.

There's no fool like an old fool!