Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

laniado - a hospital that treats Israeli and Palestinian patients alike, currently raising funds to build an underground hospital that will provide protection to its staff and patients from rocket and missile attack.

don't be a naughty boy by trying to mix in UK's involvement in iraq and afghanistan .... iraq is a total mess and we were all totally gulled by tony blair into what looked like a justifiable though nasty conflict ... in the event it was of course nothing of the sort.

reverting to israel's reaction in gaza .... i did not think i had dodged the issue at all .... however, it would indeed appear that the UN depot was bombed, and even that israel used white phosphorus bombs (really nasty and totally illegal) ......

imo opinion, and i care not a lot about others with their own agendas (agendae?), israel's reaction is more akin to a flaying than even an eye for an eye, which is their pretence

Cynic

Still trying to understand your position. I think you're saying that it was disproportionate because there was 'collateral damage' to a UN depot and you believe the unproven allegations about white phosphorous bombs.

Collateral damage is an unpalatable fact of any modern warfare, and I have demonstrated that it was no worse in Gaza than the precedents set in similar modern conflicts such as Iraq, Afghanistan and Bosnia.

You also make a reference to the biblical expression 'an eye for an eye' which, as you are aware, means that the punishment should fit the crime. Yet nobody claims that the attack on Gaza was a punishment - it is recognised that it was a military incursion with the objective of ending the rocket attacks by destroying the supply lines / smuggling tunnels and reducing Hamas capability to launch.

If the allegations of the use of white phosphorous bombs prove founded - which I find highly unlikely but will keep an open mind - then I will be joining you in your condemnation.

In the meantime I'm not surprised to find that I dont see anything in your post that justifies the use of the 'disproportionate force' soundbite.

i think there is a Despatches prog tonight at 11.05 on Gaza ..... well past my bedtime .... given that Beeb is often slanted pro-arab, it will be interesting to see what comes to apparent(!) light.


Gausie ..... i could equally respond that you just don't like my answer - lol! ..... it is also worth remembering that propaganda, if you will, becomes "fact" through the public's perception ..... that might not be "fair" but it is a fact of life

Gausie, Have you looked at the News reels of Gaza.


I suppose collateral damage and proportionate.

Fred, and there was silly me thinking you never believed what was broadcast on the news or in the press,? as its biased etc etc
Have you changed your tune again, or is it just selective stuff you choose to believe?

Fred - you can try and answer the question I posed to cynic if you want to. I didn't ask you originally because I honestly don't think you'd be able to string a few thoughts together into a coherent argument.

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Maestro - is it a ford transit? or a renault traffic?

Oh dear, I see this thread is attracting the fruitcakes. Now it's maestro and the 9/11 conspiracy mob. Sigh.

Gausie .... stop trying to find someone who agrees with you - lol! ..... PTH and I had dinner together last night and a quiet chuckle sort of at your expense!

I agree with Gausie and I know for a fact many others do too.
Richard

Mr C

Next you'll be proposing we take windy walks and chuckle at cynic's expense.

;-)

hey, don't drag me into this! My views are already in the thread! What's a proportionate response anyway, firing 6000 rockets into gaza in an indiscriminate fashion?

G and M. You must be in the same bunker.

Peter ..... they never hit anything so clearly need the practice!

This thread's about to hit 500 rants, er, posts.

please exclude me from the "rants" list ..... or at least i hope i have not lowered myself to the inflammatory tones of some

I wish someone would put a rocket up Freds arse and send him off somewhere where he cant spout his nonsense off,
more worrying is if hes drummed all this sort of crap into his children too while growing up,
who may believe his word, cause for the life of me i cant see fred having a sensible debate with anyone, its his way or no way from what ive seen

Totally agree Ruth, especially the kids bit ... and he hasn't answered a single question I put to him.