Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

sure is hays, though it's w/e here today .... am actually waiting for a client for a relaxed meeting .... a refilled glass required methinks :-)

What are u drinking? (That is not an offer to buy you a drink)

It beggars belief that along with the UK (biggest payment) Greece, Cyprus, Bulgaria, Ireland and Portugal have to pay more to bail out the Germans and French, tell the b's where to go. What ever happened to the powerhouse of Europe that they are deemed entitled to the 2nd highest payout (according to the chart above).
2517

only a light rose

I know it is irksome to have to cough up more cash, but that is the beauty and the beast of the EU. It is part of the trend towards federalism. It is a safety net for the members. If you are doing well then you pay moire and if you are doing badly then you get paid. We either join in properly or leave. A lot of our attitudes to Europe go back a long way and are due, in no small part, to bring an island. If we had land borders then we would feel part of Europe in a different way. There doesn't seem to be any way that we can accept a federal Europe. If we get a Lab government, then they will take us down that road.

The Euro can only really work if there is fiscal control from the ECB. That means giving up control of interest rates, budgets, tax rates, immigration, laws and all the things that give us sovereignty.

I have never got used to drinking rosé. I do like Laurent Perrier rosé though. It was my fav drink in the 80s

Stop that at once Haystack, you've got my taste buds all a quiver. Laurent Perrier rose - those were the days my friend, I thought they'd never end, etc.etc.:-)

billecart salmon make a good blend too

Do listen to Cameron's latest burst of oratory at he EU.

Certainly must have been a member of the school of charms.

An exposition on how not to do business!

Mind should go down with the KIPPERs. BNP and Dr Spock's tory groups.


Bluster, bluster, bluster.

Negotiations at con central office

Strange how the Treasury is not showing the post to Cameron when it comes in?

Or was it held up by Osborne?

When will Cameron and Miliband understand the people they represent don't want to hand over £1.7 billion to Europe, they don't want to renegotiate being in Europe, they just want to leave Europe.

I always thought Hazyone would end up as this:

Shortie,

But they want to trade at the UK's advantage with the EU.

They want the protection of Europe.


USA interest in UK is that they are almost a part of Europe. They will soon lose that as many other countries will do so.


And Cameron wants to be important.

But more important to the voters they still want their holidays in France.

Moonlighting MPs rake in £7.1 MILLION in second jobs... with 26 earning more outside Parliament than they do in the Commons
More than 20 MPs earned over £100,000 in outside earnings last year
The salary for a Member of Parliament is £67,060 a year
Gordon Brown was the top earner, but money goes to charity not himself
Biggest earner other than Mr Brown is the Tory MP Geoffrey Cox
Mr Cox is one of three Tory barristers who earned more than £200,000
I'm a Celebrity MP Nadine Dorries pocketed £167,140 mainly for book writing
By TOM MCTAGUE, DEPUTY POLITICAL EDITOR FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 17:23, 23 October 2014 | UPDATED: 19:38, 23 October 2014

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More than 20 MPs earned over £100,000 in second jobs last year – topping up their £67,060 House of Commons salary.
Overall, MPs picked up some £7.1million in outside earnings – an average of more than £10,000 each – according to Parliamentary records.
Some 26 MPs earned more outside Parliament than they did as an MP, the latest register of members’ interests reveals.
Tory MP Nadine Dorries, pictured in London with her dog Darcey today, earned more from writing novels than she did working as an MP
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Tory MP Nadine Dorries, pictured in London with her dog Darcey today, earned more from writing novels than she did working as an MP

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Barrister and Tory MP Geoffrey Cox, with his dog George, and former Conservative chief whip Andrew Mitchell were in the top 10 biggest earnings MPs
The top earner – according to research carried out by the Guardian – is former Prime Minister Gordon Brown, who declared £492,331 in outside earnings, mainly for public speaking.
Mr Brown does not receive any of the cash himself – but instead has all the money paid to the Office of Gordon and Sarah Brown to run his charity.
The biggest earner other than Mr Brown is the Tory MP Geoffrey Cox, who took home £368,322 as a barrister outside of the Commons.
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Fellow barristers Stephen Phillips and Sir Edward Garnier – who both make the top 10 best paid politicians – also earn in excess of £200,000.
Mr Garnier said working outside Parliament was good for democracy. He said: ‘The two-jobs stab is a bit lame and unoriginal.
‘Parliament is the better for having MPs who do not spend and have not spent their whole time inside politics.’
Gordon Brown was the best paid MP in outside earnings, but has the cash paid to the Office of Gordon and Sarah Brown and does not benefit personally
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Gordon Brown was the best paid MP in outside earnings, but has the cash paid to the Office of Gordon and Sarah Brown and does not benefit personally
The former Prime Minister declared £492,331 in outside earnings – mainly for public speaking
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The former Prime Minister declared £492,331 in outside earnings – mainly for public speaking
Conservative Nadine Dorries earned £167,140 – mainly from her best-selling novel The Four Streets.
She told the Guardian: ‘My outside earnings are mainly as a result of my writing, which I began when my youngest daughter left home for university and I found myself no longer required as a cook, chauffeur and laundress at the weekends,’ she said.
‘I find it really interesting that no one ever queried the time I gave to being a mother and an MP. I am however absolutely delighted that my writing, which is in effect my weekend hobby, is so lucrative and I urge anyone who has ever considered writing to not wait as long as I did and to give it a go.’
The Liberal Democrat MP John Hemming, who declared £187,000 of income, mainly from an IT company he founded before becoming an MP, said he was good value because he paid ‘more in taxes than my net parliamentary salary’.
Hard-left Respect MP George Galloway was last year’s third highest-earning MP. The socialist firebrand picked up £265,350 – mainly speaking

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Respect MP George Galloway (left) earned £265,350 on top of his £67,000 House of Commons salary while Tory MP John Redwood (right) pocketed £215,000 in work outside Parliament
Mr Galloway earned £265,350 – almost four times his parliamentary salary – in outside earnings, primarily from paid weekly appearances for the Iranian state-owned broadcaster Press TV, for which Galloway received £100,650, and a further £96,000 – not including air fares – for fortnightly broadcasts from Beirut for Al Mayadeen.
A spokesman for Mr Galloway defended his TV appearances. He said: ‘His programmes enable him to reach a far greater audience than would otherwise be the case for his views, both domestically and internationally. No one from these TV stations determines editorial content.’
Other top earners included Tory Charles Hendry, who was until September 2012 an Energy Minister.
Mr Hendry – who is leaving Parliament next year – said he received an income of £100,000 from three companies working in the energy sector: Forewind, an offshore wind group, Atlantic Superconnection, a proposal to bring energy into the UK from Iceland, and the energy and commodities group Vitol.
Andrew Mitchell, whose was forced to resign as chief whip following the fallout over the Plebgate row, is another former minister with substantial private sector earnings. Mr Mitchell declared £103,000 in earnings.
There is no suggestion that any of the MPs has broken Parliamentary rules governing outside earnings.
But anti-lobbying pressure groups said the amounts of money being earned by MPs raised concerns shifted ‘loyalty and attention away from the public interest to representing the narrow private interests of their other employer’.
Tamasin Cave of the Alliance for Lobbying Transparency told the Guardian: ‘As their paymasters, the public has the right to know far more about MPs’ jobs on the side. What, for example, is a property developer that pays an MP £10,000 a year getting for its money?
‘It’s also valid to question whether the promise of future employment is having an influence on ministerial decisions, as well as what advantages they are bringing to the private sector, like their insider knowledge of how government works.’

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miliband and labour party don't give a flying fuck what the public want ...... at least the tories are (allegedly) trying to change rules and have promised a referendum on the back of those negotiations

kippers are also not interested in a referendum and just want to take their ball back ..... whether the kippers have any viable policies at all is also open to debate ..... that they have lots of good populist sound-bites is all very well, but i suspect few if any would stand up to real examination

A referendum is number 1 on the kipper list c. Everything else flows from that starting point.


Millibum will get his head handed to him when voters get the chance, for the very reason you state in your first line.


Big Dave is a huffin and a puffin about the extra cash demanded by the sprouts, but I suspect it's all for show. He'll start fighting again (pretend) get a portion of the demand knocked off, and declare it a famous victory.

Nothing of substance will change.

Max,

Is your glass ever half full? Or is it permanently half empty?

Just curious.

It starts off full hilly, but it don't last long.