Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

miliband and labour party don't give a flying fuck what the public want ...... at least the tories are (allegedly) trying to change rules and have promised a referendum on the back of those negotiations

kippers are also not interested in a referendum and just want to take their ball back ..... whether the kippers have any viable policies at all is also open to debate ..... that they have lots of good populist sound-bites is all very well, but i suspect few if any would stand up to real examination

A referendum is number 1 on the kipper list c. Everything else flows from that starting point.


Millibum will get his head handed to him when voters get the chance, for the very reason you state in your first line.


Big Dave is a huffin and a puffin about the extra cash demanded by the sprouts, but I suspect it's all for show. He'll start fighting again (pretend) get a portion of the demand knocked off, and declare it a famous victory.

Nothing of substance will change.

Max,

Is your glass ever half full? Or is it permanently half empty?

Just curious.

It starts off full hilly, but it don't last long.

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The money wanted by the EU is just a normal adjustment that happens all the time. Our payments are based partly on how we are doing. It is a lot like taxing the rich a bit more. It has only turned out to be a story because the adjustment was so high. Part of the problem is that Lab gave up our rebate that Thatcher got from the EU.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/6516753/Tony-Blairs-decision-to-cut-the-EU-rebate-cost-9.3billion-report-shows.html

Thatcher got the rebate by promising to veto any changes in the EU. Not only did Blair give up the rebate, but he handed back our veto. That is why we cannot stop federalism. The EU can pass any laws they want and we have to accept them because of Labour.

The public want out of this tangled mess called the EU, and replaced with trade/defense agreements

Well I disagree we need to re-negotiate our terms and stay in.

Actually, the public don't want out. The last poll about three days ago was for 56% wanting to stay in. I think that the public wants a better deal and changes to some rules.

Yes well said Hays.

Dave Camoron ‏@EtonOldBoys 4m4 minutes ago
How are the Tories going to pay £1.7bn to the EU, when they have already given £3bn away in tax cuts to Tory Millionaires #votetory

Dave Camoron ‏@EtonOldBoys 2m2 minutes ago

In the last 4 years this country has got into a real mess, never had this in 13 years of Labour, strong growth and everyone had a job

Maybe that's because there are more immigrants coming into the UK being poled .

How can we re-negotiate when we have been told that reform of free movement of workers within the EU will never happen. , Will we be able to scrap the human rights laws or stop 75% of new laws being set by unelected bureaucrats ?

Its to big a mess to untangle, even if it was it would take 20 years or more

strong growth and everyone had a job


Really? I'll have some of whatever he's smoking.

Its true, it was brilliant under the last labour government. Far better than the gypo economy we have now.

Took Madame out this afternoon and hit the shops for some retail therapy.

Coming back, my dear lady commented about how the street lights are 80% turned off on lots of the roads and how we can't see a damned thing on our own street because of the street lights being turned off to help save money.

All to help pay the EU the €2.0bn they are demanding from us, we suppose.

What a bummer, eh?

We now definitely want out of the EU!

never had this in 13 years of Labour, strong growth and everyone had a job

And it was all built on sand. Remember the note they left behind " No more money , its all gone "

No not really just lower grants handed down by Central Government to Local government.

Did you watch Question Time last night and hear the disparity between money given to London boroughs and Northern boroughs, an absolute disgrace.

Not to mention the debt ... PFI anyone?