Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

An interesting article, Haystack.

It didn't seem to want to fit properly on my screen, so I Googled it and came up with this, which does seem to be a rather better version:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/tax/11189430/Tony-Benns-inheritance-tax-dodge-how-it-works-and-how-you-can-use-it-too.html

cynic - 27 Oct 2014 11:22 - 48603 of 48677

well MrT, you didn't even start to approach the problem.

Should you do so, don't forget to address who will do all the low paid jobs (+ the ones for well-qualified immigrants) that few brits want to go anywhere near ......

i fear that (perpetual) benefits, while not exactly providing a comfortable lifestyle, make such jobs somewhat unappealing

cynic this is why I posted about the low paid jobs we do not want or need the scum coming from the eu to do them cleaning cars working on farms I live in the country side and have all my life theses jobs were done by the local married women and those that needed a bit more cash

has for the immigrants working in the nhs most are lazy yes bloody lazy but can not be touched because of the race card the others are to scared to speak out facts not bloody fiction

It is a crazy world!

and the race card was the same in Rotherham Birmingham oxford Rochdale wellington and many more towns

low paid jobs we do not want or need the scum coming from the eu to do them cleaning cars working on farms I live in the country side and have all my life theses jobs were done by the local married women and those that needed a bit more cash

car washing and similar
so these jobs always existed, but the immigrants forced the locals out of them?
what total rubbish

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theses jobs were done by the local married women and those that needed a bit more cash

leaving aside the "cash in hand element", there is still nothing to stop "locals" from doing these jobs
however, many are now mechanised (hop picking for example) and others are damned hard work (apple picking) with little pay, as has always been the case

or moving on to the catering industry .....
how many of the waiters and waitresses in you local restaurants are "british"?
the "british" haven't been forced out of these jobs, but generally prefer not to do them

cynic the big farmers have employed a immigrant gang master and will NOT employ the locals they are crooks who take money from the immigrant workers they could not rip off the locals so of no gain for the master and yes I do no this as fact
and do know many lazy farmers to idle to wipe their own backsides

so you've campaigned round your local farms have you, and having called the farmer a fat, lazy slob, he was more than happy to tell you that he wouldn't employ locals?

and have you seen "locals" being turned away from the farm gate when they have asked for a job?

and what about the restaurants seeking staff of all sorts of categories?

and how many "job seekers" have you interviewed and asked them if they were prepared to take these jobs, even if it meant little gain over the benefits they would receive?

cynic you post crap

ukip up to 19%
lab 30
CON 30

UKIP WILL OVR TAKE THEM BY NEXT ELECTION GET THESE IMMIGRANTS OUT AND EMPTY OUR PRISONS OF CRIMINALS SEND THEM HOME AND ANY IMMIGRANT BREAKINTHE UK LAW DEPORT THEM THE SAME WEEK

please be more specific about "crap" - eg perhaps you can tell us all where my comment and observation are erroneous

posting some poll result is a complete irrelevance

the uk as been taken over by low life scum down to very poor government
most mps are now immigrants our fathers and brothers died fighting for the uk died for fcuk all . betrayed

vote ukip is the only hope

Update - Conservatives and Labour tied
by YouGov in Political Trackers and Politics
Tue October 28, 2014 6 a.m. GMT

Latest YouGov / The Sun results 27th Oct - Con 32%, Lab 32%, LD 8%, UKIP 18%;

UKIP still at level of zero MPs at the GE.

What is Labour's forecasted majority?

Latest polls

Three showing a tie. The Labour rot has set in.

Ashcroft: CON 31%, LAB 31%, LDEM 7%, UKIP 18%, GRN 5% (tabs)
Populus: CON 34%, LAB 36%, LDEM 8%, UKIP 13%, GRN 3% (tabs)
YouGov/Sun: CON 32%, LAB 32%, LDEM 8%, UKIP 18%
ComRes/Indy: CON 30%(+1), LAB 30%(-5), LDEM 9%(-1), UKIP 19%(+4), GRN 4%

so MrT, you can't think of any point at all where my comment and observation (48685) was erroneous, so now have no option than to resort to your customary soapbox polemic

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fred - ZERO! ..... though i'ld accept that labour may have the most seats

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2808527/Miliband-warned-faces-catastrophe-losing-Labour-s-seats-Scotland-wake-leader-Lamont-quitting.html

I think the important point which tends to get missed about immigration, is the thing about the rights of over 400m people in the EU to stop whatever they are doing and how they are currently living, be it busily, lazily, good, bad or indifferent and come over here, without absolutely any restriction, and set up home and try to get themselves a job.

There is no adequate thought given to the likely effect on our existing education and health services or the funding of our benefits systems.

The issue of overcrowding individual areas into zones full of specific types and classes of immigrants is also completely ignored. This is currently being highlighted by the likes of David Blunkett, a member of the government's opposition party and a previous Home Secretary. He speaks serious words, that fully deserve to be listened to.

After all, the UK is 'an island' and it is pretty full already. It also has valuable history, traditions and culture which fully deserve to be protected, rather than damaged beyond repair by the effects of totally uncontrolled immigration.

This particular aspect of EU law which allows member citizens to seek work and travel freely anywhere they want to, without any restriction, is so blatantly crazy and so utterly wrong, ANYONE can see it.

The whole 'EU thing' has now gone too far. The votes for UKIP that are about to be seen are going to utterly shock.

Add to that, the latest EU demand for an extra £1.7bn from the UK's citizens, to spread around like so much confetti to the likes of Germany and France and the above coffin on things is nailed shut.

Damn it! My street is without proper street lighting to save money. The EU is run by unelected beaurocrats who just piss money up the wall. It is a crazy organisation and I for one, now strongly want 'OUT' of it.