Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Got him off the hook nicely....I wonder what his reward is?

with efforts to control immigration scuppered and refusal to pay £1.7bn being greeted by guffaws, i'm afraid dc would be hard pushed to convince joe public that we should stay within eu

more support winging its way to ukip i'm sorry to say, for as far as i can see, ukip has yet to put a full package of policies on the table, let alone numbers allegedly capable of supporting same

Cameron doesn't wasn't to be let off the hook. Cameron supported the bill.

If that's the case Haystack, Cameroon will pull out of the coalition and call a general election in the morning.


I wont hold my breath, and I suggest you don't either.

He can't call an election. We have 5 year fixed term governments. The election date was set in 2010.

Check again.

He can do what he wants...and he is doing what he wants!

He had no power to call an election. That power was given up when the election laws were changed.

Britain’s immigration system in chaos, MPs’ report reveals

IT failures cost £1bn, 50,000 asylum seekers are missing and new backlog is building up, according to public accounts committee



Rajeev Syal and Alan Travis


The Guardian, Wednesday 29 October 2014



http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/oct/29/britain-immigration-system-in-chaos-report-reveals

al services benefits must be stopped for all immigrants and migrants to the uk until
they have paid taxes for 5 years and if they have broken the uk law then deport them the same day . we do not want the them. and they should be returned to the country they were last in then its up to that country to send them on back
and any one trying to cross the border put them to sleep put them on the next plane home

absolutely there is much wrong with the benefits system in this country and the whole is a veritable gordian knot.
goodness knows how anyone could make it simpler and fairer and properly applied as warranted

there are most assuredly cases where common sense says that someone should be entitled to benefits of one kind or another, yet the system refuses it

on the other hand, there are similar cases, actual or anecdotal or perceived, where "someone" knows how to work the system and comes out laughing every time

make it tougher to qualify for benefits by all means, but it has to be ensured that the baby does not get thrown out with the bathwater

cynic . you are correct in most you post .but when do you say enough is enough
we has tax payers should not be responsible for people from another country
if you have not paid in you should get nothing out .
the only thing left for the uk people is to get out of the eu and close our borders
unless they can prove they can support them selves . and we do not need any more low paid workers .the services are at breaking point and those that need the services
those that paid in and still paying are not getting the service .

action is needed and if the eu leaders are dead to the facts then we must leave the sinking ship before the rats take the reigns

cynic I have friends in Lincoln they are to scared to go out at night down to gangs of
migrants shouting abuse and cannot walk on the path . it is not nice to be to scared to go out their lives are ruined and should be enjoying their last few years of life it as been taken away by immigrants taking over the street shouting and drinking all night the police move them then they come back never ending circlle

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4251064.ece

Labour council rejects Miliband’s mansion tax plan

Ed Miliband is facing a rebellion among Labour councillors over his plan to impose a mansion tax.

One Labour-run council in London has officially voted to oppose the annual levy, which would be imposed on homes worth more than £2 million. Another senior Labour figure in the capital described the plan as “bonkers”.

MrT - i don't reckon many millwall and chelsea and other supporters of that ilk were other than what even you would classify as "british"!

the drunken slobs in magaluf and other salubrious holiday spots in the med are rarely other than "your" british

for all that, i have long concurred that uk needs to impose and actually operate and maintain much tighter border controls and repatriation of "serious" criminals
however, though the wretched do-gooders prevented the expulsion of abu qatada (there are others too), successive uk gov'ts have regularly embraced edicts from brussels and added further bells and whistles

knee-jerk reaction is to dump the european human rights act and introduce our own ..... however, that would inevitably bring about other significant unfairness and would be a step down the dangerous and slippery slope towards radical nationalism

I can see nothing wrong in having our own human rights act. Plenty of other countries have their own HRA and feel no need to join in anyone else's.

in 99% of human rights its only for the criminals . if you do not break the law in the uk you have nothing to fear . yes cynic the british yobs I am ashamed of them and the police should act and we should bring back the birch and lash those at the local football match ever Saturday that would put a stop to that

MrT - has it occurred to you that those self-same "british" yobs are quite likely the ones also making a disturbance and worse in their home towns?

but yes, i do agree that HRA and several other bits of legislation are far too skewed towards the poor criminal who has had such a rotten early life, with bugger all interest taken in the victim
i certainly wouldn't like to see the introduction of "blood money" as seen in m/e, but it does have a point

Hazyone,

Check the rules.

Parliament can call for an elections.

The route isn't as simple as previous.

But you are relying on semantics.


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In and out of the country, if they had introduced the electronic ID cards it would have helped to resolved the problem and reduce time in flow through the "border".

surely the new passports are almost exactly that
just for info, the french almost needless to say, have their own electronic system which will not recognise uk passports!