Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

cynic you have still not answered my question when do you say enough is enough on immigration . or do you not want to answer that question or do we just let the world in and go down the pan .

Not sure how many tory mp's got caught c, but as far as I know, none of them are standing for re-election.

Moved on greener pastures to mow!

Just had an e-mail from office@wmg//fund.in.net.

The// are my additions.

Think it a scam.

The other bloody nuisance at the moment is a Scam from supposing to be "Talk Talk" who don't seem to want to give up.

Phoning up with Crackle line stating "we are having trouble with you Internet connection".

I think I will get a starter pistol, giving my reply!

It is good to see the biter bit!

Good old tory morality.

Raise the drawbridges, the plague is upon us!

Good question!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/SNP/11195698/Will-Nicola-Sturgeon-turn-out-to-be-as-annoying-as-Alex-Salmond-was.html

She looks like she escaped for the Krankies.

There's many a true word spoken in jest Max!

More annoying to whom?

The cons Yes! Yes! Yes!

Persistent Yes! Yes! Yes!.

Will Dave's false promises catch up with him again?


That's my gal, go for him!


8-)

Fred's getting more childish then ever now.

Bit boring on here without Goldie

Were is Stan ?

MrT says
cynic so you agree they died for nothing your words not interesting or relevant
they have gone and no longer matter in your view

I answer
so where did i say that?

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MrT says
cynic you have still not answered my question when do you say enough is enough on immigration . or do you not want to answer that question or do we just let the world in and go down the pan .

I say
I suggest you read and at least try to digest my answers - 48702 and 48707

Cynic.

Not being critical, and migration is a problem, but worthwhile a reflection!

I know from ongoing first and second hand experience.

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Nicholas Winton[edit]

Main article: Nicholas Winton

Before Christmas 1938, a 29-year-old British stockbroker of German-Jewish origin named Nicholas Winton planned to fly to Switzerland for a ski vacation when he decided to travel to Prague instead to help a friend who was involved in Jewish refugee work.[22] Thereafter, he established an organisation to aid Jewish children from Czechoslovakia separated from their families by the Nazis, setting up an office at a dining room table in his hotel in Wenceslas Square.[23]

He ultimately found homes for 669 children.[24] Winton's mother also worked with him to place the children in homes, and later hostels, with a team of sponsors from groups like Maidenhead Rotary Club and Rugby Refugee Committee.[18][25] Throughout the summer, he placed advertisements seeking British families to take them in. The last group, which left Prague on 3 September 1939, was sent back because the Nazis had invaded Poland – the start of the Second World War.[18]



Although there was a £50 deposit to send them back when the little skirmish was over:

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I have respect for Winton, but little or none for the likes of the "tinker" or much of the yobs who identify with UKIP or the R.W Euro-skeptics.

By Michael Deacon, Parliamentary Sketchwriter
4:31PM GMT 29 Oct 2014
At Prime Minister’s Questions, David Cameron and Ed Miliband blame each other over immigration, while Harriet Harman tries to shame Mr Cameron with a feminist T-shirt

At Prime Minister’s Questions, Ed Miliband and David Cameron hotly debated immigration. Since polling suggests the subject is a vote-loser for both of them, it was a bit like watching two men wrestling each other at the top of a cliff, before rolling angrily over the edge to their simultaneous doom.

It turned out that Mr Cameron and Mr Miliband agreed on only one thing about immigration: namely, that the other should apologise for it.

“He might want to apologise for the mess that Labour left!” shouted Mr Cameron.

“There’s only one person who should be apologising on immigration, and that’s him!” shouted Mr Miliband.

“I ask him again, get up and apologise for your record!” shouted Mr Cameron.

“Why doesn’t he just admit it, on immigration he has failed!” shouted Mr Miliband.

“What have we heard today? Not a single word of apology!” shouted Mr Cameron.

Well, at least he got that right.

Mr Miliband reminded MPs that, before the last election, Mr Cameron had promised to bring net migration down to “tens of thousands”. Net migration today, the Labour leader pointed out, stands at 243,000. I don’t know whether Mr Cameron considered shouting, “But that is tens of thousands! Twenty-four tens of thousands!” If he did, he thought better of it.

As well as accusing the Government of incompetence, Mr Miliband accused it of callousness, for deciding that it would not support search-and-rescue operations to save refugees in the Mediterranean. In other words, the Government is going to let migrants drown. Rumour has it that if the policy proves a success, the Home Office plans to roll it out across the country, with a special ducking stool installed in every town.

Most weeks, Mr Cameron can rely on his MPs to back up his replies to Mr Miliband with triumphant jeers. This time, though, the majority sat quiet, looking uneasy. Immigration is becoming a difficult subject for Tory MPs: on the one hand, they want to talk about it, but on the other, they fear the argument is already lost to Ukip, at least as far as most voters are concerned, and so on the whole it might be wiser to avoid the subject altogether. Unfortunately, that’s difficult too.

I doubt many Labour MPs drew much encouragement from these posturingly cross exchanges either. If there was a winner at all, it was a man who wasn’t there: one Nigel Farage.

The other talking point was Harriet Harman’s outfit. On Monday, the fashion magazine Elle complained that the Prime Minister had refused to be pictured wearing a T-shirt with a feminist slogan. So naturally Ms Harman wore that very T-shirt to PMQs, while peering at Mr Cameron haughtily. The slogan read: “This is What a Feminist Looks Like.”

I wonder if it’s occurred to some enterprising person to market a T-shirt with the slogan “This is What Someone Morally Superior to You Looks Like”. I suspect it would do very well.

The Telegraph

Nigel Farage has already won his fight with Labour and Conservatives

A crescendo of shrill proclamations rises in Westminster as David Cameron and Ed Miliband race to be more Ukip than Ukip


John Crace


The Guardian, Wednesday 29 October 2014 18.10 GMT



A demonstrator pulls the strings of a David Cameron puppet in Birmingham, 29 September 2014. Photograph: Leon Neal/AFP/Getty Images


The Ukip Santa has come two months early. A couple of weeks ago Nigel Farage got his first member of parliament: at prime minister’s questions he appeared to have 650. Well, 649 to be accurate. Douglas Carswell was nowhere to be seen; he must have been off at his shrink to find out how he had suddenly become the most moderate voice in the Commons.

There’s only one thing on the mind of both parties at the moment: next year’s general election. And the race is on to see who can become more Ukip than Ukip. Who do we hate? Immigrants. When do we hate them? Now.

It is normally at least 15 minutes into PMQs before David Cameron’s voice becomes shrill and tetchy, but on Wednesday he was shrieking from the off. Perhaps he had just had a bad morning; perhaps he had choked at the sight of Harriet “No publicity stunts” Harman sitting directly opposite him wearing a “This is what a feminist looks like” T-shirt. To be fair to the prime minister, he wouldn’t be the only one to wonder how soon it will be before the deputy leader of the opposition transmogrifies into Grayson Perry. Or perhaps he had just decided that hysteria was the only reasonable way to deal with immigrants.



more: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/oct/29/cameron-miliband-race-ukip-immigration

A FORMER Labour MEP has warned that shadow international development minister Jim Murphy would ‘help to break up the Union’ if elected leader of the Scottish Labour Party.


Hugh Kerr, who spent more than three decades as an activist, councillor and MEP in Scotland and England writes in today’s Scotsman that he feels ‘some sympathy for the pain that socialists who remain in the Labour Party in Scotland must feel’.

Mr Kerr fell out with the New Labour government shortly after the general election in May 1997, accusing the Prime Minister, Tony Blair, of ‘Stalinist tendencies’ for planning to abolish euro-constituencies and for introducing a party list regional system for future European elections.

He was expelled from the Labour Party in the late 1998 for his opposition to Mr Blair.

• Keep up to date with all aspects of Scottish life with The Scotsman iPhone app, completely free to download and use

In his letter, Mr Kerr claims that Labour ‘signed its own death warrant’ when it decided to campaign with the Conservatives and oppose independence.

The former MEP adds: “If Labour had campaigned for independence, we would have won the vote and Labour could have won the next Scottish Parliament election.

“The only person who might stand a chance of pulling Labour together and putting up a fight would be Gordon Brown, but the ‘great clunking fist’ sees himself as a colossus on the world stage and is very unlikely to stand, not least because he isn’t certain he would win.

“So that leaves Jim Murphy as the likely winner of the leadership election but the certain loser of the general election in Scotland next year and of the Scottish Parliament in 2016.”

Mr Kerr continues by saying that Mr Murphy ‘may help in the historic task of gaining independence for Scotland.’

He adds: “A Murphy leadership will ensure at least 20 MPs for the SNP next May and I can’t see anyone taking Ed Miliband seriously as an alternative prime minister.

“So five more years of a Tory government sustained by a rump of Liberals and a sack of Ukip MPs, a vote to leave the EU in 2017 and lots more cuts will convince the Scottish people that independence is the only answer.”

Mr Kerr added that he believed Mr Murphy ‘would help break up the Union’ if elected.

Mr Kerr served as Tommy Sheridan’s spin doctor in the early 2000s, stood as an SSP candidate in May 2003, and again in June 2004 for the European Parliamentary Elections.

He joined the SNP in November 2011.

• Read the letter in full here>>>

Nigel Farage has already won his fight with Labour and Conservatives

That doesn't say much for his followers. or what he and followers represent!

Goebbels are you still breathing?

What are you talking about Fred?

Can you expand and clarify?

Fred, two sentences will do in reply- we don't need a couple of A4 pages!