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The really useful silver thread (AG)     

squirrel888 - 12 Jun 2013 10:30

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Saturn6 - 26 Jul 2013 20:07 - 488 of 1034

SLV - Bounced right where it needed to...

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Can it hold?/...And clear the orange and green averages?/

S.

Saturn6 - 26 Jul 2013 20:40 - 489 of 1034

We are moving into the best possible time zone on average for buying Silver...

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Whether we have had the lowest opportunity to acquire Silver already or we get a better chance in August remains to be seen, Better to have bought already I believe.

http://investmentscore.com/editorials/buy-silver-now--ii.php

S.

gazkaz - 27 Jul 2013 01:05 - 490 of 1034

Well Sahara / Snurkle
- all the info of the last few days - in a sane rational world - seems to suggests that
- after the usual post options expirey tree shaking
- it is a - back up the truck time

But in a world where
- the insolvent Euro nations - guarantee bailouts of the other insolvent Euro nations and they - can still borrow in single digit %
- where the US has zillions of unfunded liabilities - yet USDA figures show - over 100 million americans are already on some sort of gov't - nutritional food stamp support
(so not so much - being paid - into.... the kitty)
- yet they too can supposedly borrow at low single digit %
(In reality - The fed is picking up/mopping up the T-Bonds)

Then who knows what - the current topy turvy world will bring along.
(- f/flag black swan season perhaps approaches).

snurkle1 - 27 Jul 2013 06:32 - 491 of 1034

It does feel as if the elastic band has been stretched a little further.
When it will snap no one knows, but the propaganda bull crap seems more over the top than ever.

Max Keiser said in his show from last Tuesday that :
'JPM would follow Lehman within the next 5 years... and that's a certain.... I bet whatever people want on that...'

Max is usually fairly accurate with his predictions, so lets see how that plays out... if / when it does. However if JPM indeed bites the dust means we'll see an almighty crash as they are the US government and Federal reserve string pullers.

Better stock up on the popcorn as that will be some fireworks. In comparison, Enron was just a very poor warm up act.

snurkle1 - 27 Jul 2013 06:38 - 492 of 1034

Now then........

here's one for the books......

J.P. Morgan to sell commodities business

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/jp-morgan-to-sell-commodities-business-2013-07-26

Bix' take is as follows

This is great news for the timing of on the END of physical gold and silver manipulation. Given that the paper price and the physical price parted ways a few months ago (at least in large quantities) it is now time to end the con for good. As I said before, the Good Guys are trying to make it as painless a process as possible. By removing JP Morgan from the physical side and the fact that they have likely covered much of their COMEX short anyways, the Good Guys think that they can quietly back out of the manipulation game.

My take...NOT A CHANCE!

Keep an eye out for an unregulated, gov't sponsored hedge fund like BlackRock to try and take over take the manipulation reigns. You cannot have a freely traded gold and silver market while you are running an unbacked fiat monetary system.

Very soon the chaos will come and JP Morgan will be right in the middle of it. Remember, they still have $69T in derivatives with $93B in gold derivatives and $17B in silver derivatives!

WAIT...given their total expose to both gold and silver it seems JP Morgan thinks the Silver/Gold ratio is more like 5-1!!!!

Also out today is a settlement between JPM and MF Global. JPM has agreed to pay MFG $160M as payola. After all it was JPM that sent them into the tailspin in the first place!

http://www.fa-mag.com/news/mf-global-reaches-settlement-with-jpmorgan-unit-on-recovery-14994.html

Looks to me like the events I talk about in this week's Friday Road Trip are beginning to materialize already!

gazkaz - 28 Jul 2013 00:14 - 493 of 1034

Sahara - lol ...the difference is significant
- I just pop on what charts I come accross on my travels
- yours - are from your own personal knowledge, insight & skill

Taken together tho' - they do seem to tell the same story.

gazkaz - 28 Jul 2013 00:27 - 494 of 1034

Snurkle

Re the propaganda mainstream crap
- I think McBean over the other side
- could get a regular weekly spot on CNBC

MaxK - has a great mix of truth, info and delivers it with excellent showman style
- I think when as he suggests JPM goes down
- the ...Bill Holter - bunker/hibernate will definitely apply,
(if not before)

Strangely
(as often happens at such times :o)
- The FA-MAG link is presntly...down
(as is their home page)

gazkaz - 28 Jul 2013 01:01 - 495 of 1034

I will preface this extract from Jim Rickards with

He took part in the Govt/Pentagoons....currency wars planning exercise

He is an investment banker
- and investment advisor based in New York.
- has held senior positions at Citibank,
- Long-Term Capital Management and Caxton Associates.
- In 1998, he was the principal negotiator of the rescue of LTCM
(sponsored by the Federal Reserve).

His clients include institutional investors and government directorates.

He is an advisor on capital markets to .....
- the Director of National Intelligence and the Office of the Secretary of Defense.

So- based on the above
- is he.....a player
- or
- is this....a true pointer...based on his above... insights ?????????


.................................................................................................................


Gold prices will surpass $7,000 an ounce
- in an inevitable......... global currency reset

Said Jim Richards
- speaking at the Agora Financial Investment Symposium in Vancouver yesterday.

Mr. Rickards recalled
- how the global currency system
- has been reset....... three times..... in the past century:
- 1914, 1939 and 1971.
He noted that the dollar standard reigned
- from 1982 under Paul Volcker’s Fed to..... 2010.

Dollar in crisis

‘Now we are all at sea. Nobody knows which currency to follow,’ he said.
‘Some economists argue that we should have multiple reserve currencies but that is just too unstable’.

His forecast is
- that the IMF will issue a new reserve currency
- know as a Special Depository Receipt
(which it has actually previously done in crisis situations in 1972, 1983 and 2009).

‘The US dollar
- could collapse...... much faster than you might think.
- A complete collapse of confidence in the dollar is......
- much closer than ever.
But nobody knows exactly what...... the crucial threshold will be.’

In order to reset the monetary system this time Mr. Rickards argues
- that the gold reserves of the global central banks
- will be absolutely essential
(with 20-40 per cent gold backing sufficient).

That will mean a revaluing of bullion...... to around $7,000 an ounce
- or otherwise there will not be enough of it to do the job.
- Central banks will be in a position where they have to do this
- rather than constantly suppress the gold price to create an illusion of low inflation,
- he contends.

http://www.arabianmoney.net/gold-silver/2013/07/25/gold-going-to-7000-in-currency-reset-says-author-jim-rickards/



gazkaz - 28 Jul 2013 01:21 - 496 of 1034

Just an interesting anecdote

An economics professor at a local college made a statement that
- he had never failed a single student before,
- but had recently failed an entire class.
That class had insisted
- that O'barmys socialism worked and that..... no one would be poor and no one would be rich,
(& everyone could holiday or play golf for half their life like him)
- a great equalizer.

The professor then said, “OK, we will have an experiment in this class on O'barmys plan”.
- All grades will be averaged
- and everyone will receive the same grade
- so no one will fail and no one will receive an A….

After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B.
- The students who studied hard were upset
- and the students who studied little were happy.

As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little... had studied even less
- and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too.... so they studied little.

The second test average was a D!
- No one was happy.
- When the 3rd test rolled around, .....the average was an F.

As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings
- and no one would study..... for the benefit of anyone else.

To their great surprise, ALL FAILED
- and the professor told them that .....socialism would also ultimately fail
- because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great,
- but when government takes all the reward away,
no one will try or want to succeed

.....................................................................................................................


These are possibly 5 sentences ...... applicable to this experiment:

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity
- by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

2. What one person receives without working for,
- another person must work for without receiving.

3. The government cannot give to anybody anything
- that the government does not first take from somebody else.

4. You cannot multiply wealth.... by dividing it!

5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work
- because the other half is going to take care of them,
- and when the other half gets the idea - that it does no good to work
- because somebody else is going to get what they work for,

That is the beginning of the end of any nation.

...................................................................................................................

Perhaps pertinent if you come accross...anyone who thinks that
- over 100 million Americans
- on some sort of nutritional support programme (food stamps etc)
- and half the people in the US
- receiving some sort of government handout
...is okay.

Saturn6 - 28 Jul 2013 15:30 - 497 of 1034

Have stocks peaked against $Gold?... The timing would at least be consitent with the bullish seasonals for the metals...

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Although we need to be cognisant of the 'Wedge' Ojective...

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And a reminder of the Stocks to Miners ratio...

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S.

snurkle1 - 29 Jul 2013 15:40 - 498 of 1034


Jeff Nielson's latest - Gold, Silver, and Hyperinflation

http://www.bullionbullscanada.com/gold-commentary/26290-gold-silver-and-hyperinflation

snurkle1 - 29 Jul 2013 15:50 - 499 of 1034

On a completely different note.
Saw this on sky news yesterday and just couldn't believe what I saw ..... on the MSM.

Some fat parents claiming that they couldn't afford to feed the kids during the school holidays... that is funny bit as these people clearly are thinking about their own tummy's first .

An ex-Iraqi war hero driving a bus with meals for the kids. He is honest in his views that the US is losing it's battle with the recovery.

http://news.sky.com/story/1121307/hungry-in-america-huge-demand-for-free-meals

Saturn6 - 29 Jul 2013 17:36 - 500 of 1034

Miners are meandering still and may wish to move on up without the re-test?/...

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Whereas SLV has yet to get above the green average let alone the blue one...

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If we get a confirmed breakdown here watch for a retest of the low, and potentially lower prices still.

Remember the end of month on wednesday and the FOMC meeting. Where talk of reducing QE could be the outcome?/

I will be looking to hedge my 20+% profits on the mining positions if we dip below the $26 area.

S.

Saturn6 - 29 Jul 2013 17:57 - 501 of 1034

Wars and rumours of wars!!

Chinese Rear Admiral Zhang Zhaozhong warned unequivocally. “China will not hesitate to protect Iran even with a Third World War,”

Russian General Nikolai Makarov said: “I do not rule out local and regional armed conflicts developing into a large-scale war, including using nuclear weapons.”

'Washington will attack Syria and Iran with lethal biological weapons'

Dutch virologist Ron Fouchier revealed it. He discovered that five avian flu virus mutations spread far more easily. Doing so makes them the “most lethal killer(s) of mankind ever invented.”

http://www.globalresearch.ca/russia-and-china-prepare-for-global-war/5344041

Remember the plagues foretold of in the bible?

Do not be troubled. This must take place, but the end is not yet. Mark 13:7

Of course some of us here know there are no opposing sides really. They all do the work of their masters. Just as was the case in the 2nd world war, where Churchill Hitler, Stalin and Roosevelt were all high ranking freestonecutters.

dpuf
Peace is "counter-revolutionary" since it is war that paves the way for revolution. - The Red Symphony -
http://henrymakow.com/000275.html

http://henrymakow.com/2013/07/hitler-played-the-dupe-in-ww2.html


S.

gazkaz - 29 Jul 2013 21:42 - 502 of 1034

Ooor Wullie (Jim)
- has said a few times of late that Deutsche , Citi Bank & ...Barclays are on daily life support...to keep them afloat
- Max Keiser has also added that Deutsche Bank is ..on suicide watch

And I earlier pointed out that Barclays - lasy year were being investigated
- for ...allegedly..m'lud...lending it's money to the Quatari's & Japanese
- who then....
- gave it back to Barclays...to bail them out
(& avoid the strings & straight-jacket a goverment bail ot would bring - plus a ...look at the books)

Drm Roll Time (again)

Main stream media - now reports -

BARCLAYS will be tapping the market for lots of billions....because
(please do not laugh)........
- a black hole in it's balance sheet re the PPI mis-selling payouts
- and....bringing forward (lol)...increasing capital adequacy....called for under Basel III

(play "The laughing policeman track"....oh ha -ha -ha -ha - ha ....repeat for 3 more mins)

gazkaz - 29 Jul 2013 22:23 - 503 of 1034

Sahara / Snurkle

I will preface this link - with a WARNING
- I FELL .......into this site on & off over the weekend
(& from 11pm - 3am on... both saturday ..and Sunday Night)

It's a wealth of....really ought to know information
- I have pencilled in my diary....
- spending the worst of the inclemancy... of the winter months...there ! - lol
(Can't afford 3m in the Canaries)

Much of what is there I, & no doubt you, will be aware of - but - it documents it
(very well)
- and much of it also , supplements what I already knew
- but there is oodles of....new to me... stuff too
(plus recommended books too, extracts from books as well as, the articles)

The menu's,,,,, open up sub menu's,,, and so on.

So beware - but here goes - add it to your - sitting at the airport etc - "dive in list"

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/index.html

(scroll down the page - pick a blue link - and off you go just down the menu's)

Example of a sub/sub/sub... menu

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Banks/Secrets_Federal_Reserve.html

Sahara

(from the Rothkiddies extracts from Mullins Book)

This may be of interest - on two points

- the manipulated - war - aspect (which you are well versed in)
- but do you spot anything in there .....that has a ring of...The Protocols of the elders of Zimon.... and his mates
(would be interesting to read the full...25 items alluded to)


p55
According to William Guy Carr, in Pawns In The Game," the initial meeting of these ex officio planners took place in Mayer Amschel Bauer's Goldsmith Shop in Frankfurt in 1773. Bauer, who adopted-the name of "Rothschild" or Red Shield, from the red shield which he hung over his door to advertise his business ... was only thirty years of age when he invited twelve other wealthy and influential men to meet him in Frankfurt.

His purpose was to convince them
- that if they agreed to pool their resources they could then finance and control
- the World Revolutionary Movement ......and use it
- as their Manual of Action

- to win ultimate control of the wealth, natural resources, and manpower
- of....... the entire world.

This agreement reached, Mayer unfolded...... his revolutionary plan.

The project
- would be backed by all the power that could be purchased with their pooled resources. By clever manipulation of their combined wealth it would be possible to....

- create such adverse economic conditions that the masses would be reduced to a state bordering on starvation by unemployment...
- Their paid propagandists
- would arouse feelings of hatred and revenge against the ruling classes by exposing all real and alleged cases of extravagance, licentious conduct, injustice, oppression, and persecution.

They would also invent infamies to bring into disrepute others ....who might, if left alone,
- interfere with their overall plans...

Rothschild turned to a manuscript
- and proceeded to read..... a carefully prepared plan of action.

1. He argued that LAW was FORCE only in disguise. He reasoned it was logical to conclude 'By the laws of nature right lies in force:
2. Political freedom is an idea, not a fact. In order to usurp political power all that was necessary was to preach 'Liberalism' so that the electorate, for the sake of an idea, would yield some of their power and prerogatives which the plotters could then gather into their own hands.
3. The speaker asserted that the Power of Gold had usurped the power of Liberal rulers .... He pointed out that it was immaterial to the success of his plan whether the established governments
- were destroyed by external or internal foes
- because the victor had to of necessity ask the aid of 'Capital' which
'Is entirely in our hands'
4. He argued that the use of.... any and all means to reach their final goal... was justified
- on the grounds that the ruler who governed by the moral code was not a skilled politician because he left himself vulnerable and in an unstable position.
5. He asserted that 'Our right lies in force. The word RIGHT is an abstract thought and proves nothing. I find a new RIGHT... to attack by the Right of the Strong, to reconstruct all existing institutions, and to become the sovereign Lord
- of all those who ....
- left to us ......the Rights to their powers ......by laying them down to us in their liberalism.

6. The power of our resources must..... remain invisible
- until the very moment when it has gained such strength that no cunning or force can undermine it.

He went on to outline........... twenty-five points.

Number 8 dealt with
- the use of alcoholic liquors, drugs, moral corruption,
- and all vice to systematically corrupt youth of all nations.

9. They had the right to seize property....... by any means, and without hesitation,
- if by doing so they secured submission and sovereignty.
10. We were the first to put the slogans Liberty, Equality, and Fraternity ....
- into the mouths of the masses, which set up a new aristocracy. The qualification for this aristocracy is WEALTH which is dependent on us.

11. Wars ......should be directed so that the nations engaged...... on both sides
- should be further in our debt.

12. Candidates for public office should be servile and obedient to our commands, so that they may readily be used.

13. Propaganda
-their combined wealth would control....... all outlets of public information.

14. Panics and financial depressions would ultimately result in

World Government,
- a new order of .........one world government."

(Looks like another book - on the must read list :o)

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Banks/House_Rothschild_TSOTFR.html

As can be seen from the above links on the site are
- concise....and cuts to the chase of conveying
- the salient parts of what would ogten cover....a shelf of books
- in just a few link pages

(enter at your own risk....lol)







gazkaz - 29 Jul 2013 22:40 - 504 of 1034

Worth watching (ignore title)
- slide time bar to approx 13 min in

Max's guest - explains with clarity that the smash down in gold
- probably took around 1,300 tons
- so who had the clout to supply that ??
- strangely enough a new "app" on the BofE website
- discloses a drop in "custody gold" of.....
- 1,000 x 400 oz bars from....Feb 13 - Jun 13
- which equates to.....approx....1,300 tons

The BofE itself only has 400 tons
- but it has lots & lots - in custody
(eg other central banks gold)
- like the Bundly Bank ...And Austria - who recently confirmed.....
- it had been leasing some of it's central bank gold - into the market......
-to offset....high BofE.... custody/storage charges
(Much more on that....in the youT)

Well worth just 13 min (ie second half from 13min onwards)....of your time
imo



snurkle1 - 30 Jul 2013 06:25 - 505 of 1034

Gaz, what a fabulous site.
Like yourself, I will be spending many wet autumn and cold winter days trawling through that lot. It's library in itself.

As for Max K, I posted it last saturday, but really worthwhile watching it again as it was a very interesting episode. With this episode in mind Bill Holter wrote the following article that related to it.

http://blog.milesfranklin.com/lots-of-questions

The only thing about his and other people's theory that I question is that when you see gold going even faster out of stock after the take down than even before the take down, why not stem the flow by yanking it back up. I know we've seen a small turn around, but keeping it at these levels hasn't stopped the bleeding. Will it make its demand go even stronger if they were to up the prices by say $100 a month for the next 6 months?


This of course would make all the negative MSM spin look even more foolish, but it served its purpose.
Also Gartman has already said to go long gold .... ..... this is written tongue in cheek

snurkle1 - 30 Jul 2013 06:34 - 506 of 1034



From David's Desk

David Schectman

Why All the Pessimism? We've Seen This Before.


The other night we had guests over for dinner. During the evening, the question came up, "What is going on with gold?" That's the question most people are probably asking, especially those who don't closely follow the industry, or read our newsletter. I replied, "Nothing special. This is normal." He gave me a funny look - to be expected.

I added, "The same thing happened in the summer of 2008 when gold plunged from over $1,000 to below $800. The drop was around 30%, similar to what we have now, and people were as frightened, disillusioned and ready to proclaim the bull market over then as they are now. Then gold reversed course and moved back up to an all-time high of over $1,900 over the next 36 months. There was joy in Mudville!"

"We've seen this before. More of the same old, same old - and the current drop of around 30% is not out of line. People are once again disillusioned and ready to proclaim the bull market is over. And it will reverse course and set new highs just like before."

It's the age-old case of freezing up and not being able to buy at the bottom. Human nature screams at you to buy at the top. (Stocks are a perfect example now. They have to deal with unemployment numbers that are signaling no real growth; housing numbers that are signaling a downturn; interest rates that are straining to rise. None of this is positive for strong growth but the stock market is priced to expect it). So what do most investors do? They buy stocks and avoid gold. Some things never change. And I have to answer the same question to my friends, "What's wrong with gold?" I wonder what they would say to me if I asked them, "What's wrong with the stock market?" Which of these markets could best be described as on the verge of "Irrational Exuberance?" The echoes of the Maestro are still haunting us.

Do you watch the price of gold all day long? I do, I'm addicted. But there is a reason I tell you that this short-term day to day up and down is just "noise." Only someone with a rabbits foot that actually works, or a deep-pocket hedged fund with insider information or sensational day traders can make any money in this market. There are easier markets to trade. Why even bother with gold or silver, which are manipulated at will by JPM and a few buddies.

Look at Friday's chart, as a perfect example. It can make you paranoid and crazy if you watch it all unfold.






(Green line) Gold is up in the after market (after the Comex close when the trading volume is light and it is easy to move the market up or down without much effort or capital), starting at 6:00 (EDT) gold rises until after midnight in Asia. Then there was a sell-off that continued through the London market, into New York and then it fell some more. Things were not looking good. Suddenly, for no apparent reason, gold started to rise, before noon, and continued to rise throughout the rest of the afternoon. At last glance it was back over $1,330. That's about where it finished yesterday, but what a roller coaster ride to get there. Up, down, up and in the end, nothing. All in one day. How can you trade this? Well, you can't unless you love to lose money. Gold is not a short-term trading vehicle. It is a long-term hold, not necessarily for profit, but as insurance for the certain loss of buying power with the Fed's debasing dollar policy (QE).

Also of interest, gold fell all day Friday while the dollar was also FALLING. The Cartel usually uses rising gold to smack down gold, but a falling dollar rarely adds much juice to the move up. Anyone who thinks gold trades freely is lying or living in dreamland, unwilling to see the facts.

But that is not a negative. Gold has had to deal with this kind of crap since it was $250/oz, all the way up. The message is simple, manipulation DOES NOT WORK over a longer period of time. It is only effective short-term. They really cannot do this much longer. Too much physical demand, at prices below production cost, to allow it to. Most of you will not pay any attention to these facts and will wonder why they didn't see the light - after the fact, when all the Johnny come lately analysts and newsletter writers jump on the bandwagon. At $1650 or higher.

You know my philosophy. I don't sell my (physical) gold! I accumulate gold. For me, it's not a buy and sell investment; it's a long-term hold that I keep for an emergency, retirement or to pass down to my kids. I might change my mind in a few years when latecomers are offering me $3,500 or $5,000 an ounce for it. I might sell some of it; but it depends if, at the time, there is something else that is a better choice to replace it with. Those kinds of decisions we make at the time, not before the event.


Sincerely,

David Schectman

snurkle1 - 30 Jul 2013 06:41 - 507 of 1034

For those of you not familiar with this article, Bix has an interesting theory with regards to the silver supply.

http://www.roadtoroota.com/public/135.cfm?awt_l=5eEZ2&awt_m=3Wgm5saosR4C85B
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