Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Are you looking at your reflection in the mirror in hope?

I can see one or two Lib MPS moving to the Con party, as they are goners in their own party.

(Just wonder if Danny boy and Boy David might jump ship!)

But I "feel" the libs feel "burnt" by the connections with Cons and would not trust them again.

Could be wrong, but don't think so.

I doubt that UKIP will have enough MPs to enter into a coalition. There are other parties, such as the Unionists to go into coalition with and they will probably have more seats than UKIP. UKIP are still on track to win zero new seats at the GE

And by the way Cameron said that he wouldn't pay the bill on December 1. He didn't say he wouldn't pay it.

No, he will be a rent boy for it and pay interest on the outstanding amount!

Sorry, the UK will pay the outstanding the rent.

Another PR are failure for a U-turn and blame somebody else.

I know try Georgie boy!

Not when he first spoke about it he didn't, he said he wouldn't pay it

No. He has always said that he wouldn't pay on December 1. I saw the first speech where he mentioned it.

If it were actually Cameroon who had to foot the bill instead of us, it might have put a bit of steel in his backbone.

Alas, it's only taxpayers money, so who gives a toss?



It's all a game anyway, posture and position to try and fool the gullable into thinking he actually gives a damn.

It's all a game anyway, posture and position
that much is true all round, as so much of political life is

Max,

He uses somebody else's backbone.

He can't even stand up to his own party.

Just weaves and ducks.

,

If camoron doesnt pay on 1st of December we just pick up heavy interest charges at something like a rate of interest of 57% per month until we do pay it.

Bring on WONGA.

Maybe the rate is so high because the original charge includes the Black Economy prostitution and drugs included.

But Cameron is in charge of ?

There is not necessarily anything wrong with the demand sent by the EU. There are balancing amounts paid and received all the time. This one just stood out as it was larger than normal. We may well pay it or a smaller amount. The figure is not that much in the scheme of things. For instance, it is less than the rebate that Blair gave away.

whatever the truth of that comment, the public perception will be that eu is ripping us off for money that could be much better spent elsewhere - eg nurses (as opposed to nhs which is just a black hole)

The European Commission slashed its expectations for eurozone growth in its latest autumn economic report. The commission now expects the economy will grow by only 0.8% this year, 1.1% in 2015 and 1.7% in 2016. It also gave major downgrades to the outlook for the two largest eurozone economies — France and Germany. The eurozone continues to struggle with terribly low inflation and high unemployment.


as i have said previously about germany's smoke and mirrors economy

Manuel,

Cameron has attempted to make it look like the EU is ripping the UK off for internal party political reasons.

At the same attempting to con large parts of the public, which he doing.

And this is being done for party politics at the expense of the public purse. I think it is the actions of a corrupt government.

Cameron and Lansley have ripped the UK public off for about £3 billion for their stupidity of ideological changes in the NHS.

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Protect us from centralisation and even more from the fiefdoms which will be created under the decentralisation policies. Another, knee jerk response to UKIP and the referendum.

Can't you tell him governments are supposed to act for the good of the public, not to react to the public.

fred - that was not what i wrote, as you like to remind me from time ..... try the words "public perception"

typically of course you go off on one of your usual (and rather silly) tirades and rants :-)

Manuel,

I mentioned your nickname not your comment or opinion.


Check your glasses and pour yourself another drink.

Cameron is a goner.

He is even losing or has lost the trust of his own party and backers.

what's that got to do with public perception of the £1.7bn demanded by eu?

That’s rich! Labour says it’s now the party of the family but Tories accuse them of hypocrisy after opposing marriage tax break
Tristram Hunt said Labour must talk about importance of 'relationships'
Labour would keep David Cameron’s Troubled Families Programme
Mr Hunt criticised Blair and Brown for not doing enough through tax and benefit system to help families stay together
By DANIEL MARTIN, DAILY MAIL WHITEHALL CORRESPONDENT
PUBLISHED: 01:04, 4 November 2014 | UPDATED: 10:43, 4 November 2014

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Labour was accused of hypocrisy last night after attempting to redefine itself as the party of the family.
Tristram Hunt, the party’s education spokesman, said Labour needed to lose its ‘fear of the “F” word’ and talk more about the importance of ‘bonds and relationships’.
Rather than allowing the Tories to dominate the subject, he said Labour had to ‘shed its leftist qualms’ about appearing patronising when tackling dysfunctional families.
Mr Hunt criticised Tony Blair and Gordon Brown’s governments for not doing enough through the tax and benefit system to help families stay together.
Tory backbenchers said no one would believe Labour’s volte-face because many of its welfare policies while in power had made the position of married couples worse. They poured scorn on Mr Hunt’s intervention, pointing out that his party still opposes the Tories’ marriage tax break.
In an interview with The Independent, Mr Hunt said Labour needed to change its tune on the family if it wanted to tackle the problem of social immobility.
He confirmed that Labour would keep David Cameron’s Troubled Families Programme, which intervenes in families with problems such as anti-social behaviour, worklessness and truancy.
The former TV historian admitted that previous Labour administrations had relied too much on transferring money to disadvantaged households through tax credits, and suggested it had shied away from talking about the importance of stable relationships because of qualms about dictating family structures.
Mr Hunt said: ‘We’re talking to Labour colleagues about shedding any vestige of fear about talking about the importance and significance of the family, and how important stable relationships and stable parenting environments are for children’s attainment.
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‘We shouldn’t let the Right and the Conservatives have that. There has been a fear of the “F” word and I think the balance is to say that families do take different forms and it’s really, really important that we focus on quality of relationships and what breakdown means as barriers for children succeeding.
‘It is important from the position of shadow secretary of state to stress just how significant nurture, attachment, parenting and support for the family as a vital component of social mobility and educational attainment is going to be for the next Labour government and shedding any leftist qualms about how significant and valuable the family is.’
Mr Hunt criticised Tony Blair (right) and Gordon Brown (left)’sadministrations
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Mr Hunt criticised Tony Blair (right) and Gordon Brown (left)’s administrations for not doing enough through the tax and benefit system to help families stay together
Mr Hunt said Labour had to ‘reflect upon’ academic evidence which shows that supporting families is not just a matter of giving them benefits.
‘Too much of the Labour project was closely associated just with fiscal transfers rather than stressing the importance of bonds and attachments and relationships and the broader cultural importance and value,’ he said.
‘This wasn’t often stressed as much as it could have been.’ He added: ‘These families are troubled, and it’s multiple levels of trouble, and it would not be solved by more tax credits. We don’t have the money for that and we know the limitations of that project.’

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Peter Bone, Tory MP for Wellingborough, said: ‘Words are cheap, but it’s action that counts. If you look at their record during 13 years in power, you see that they did nothing to bring families together.
‘These words are just Labour propaganda with six months to go till the election.
‘People will think it’s ludicrous. No one is going to believe Labour on this. They’re opposed to the marriage tax allowance, and they did nothing but sign cheques for disadvantaged families when they were in charge.
‘Hypocrisy and Labour seem to go hand in hand.’
A source at the Department for Education said: ‘Families will not be lectured by Tristram Hunt. The last Labour government ruined the economy, adding pressure on families up and down the country. Families know that is what they will do again if they get a chance.’


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It is the twist from a twister for internal party politics, as has been said, by European commentators.