Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

No, he will be a rent boy for it and pay interest on the outstanding amount!

Sorry, the UK will pay the outstanding the rent.

Another PR are failure for a U-turn and blame somebody else.

I know try Georgie boy!

Not when he first spoke about it he didn't, he said he wouldn't pay it

No. He has always said that he wouldn't pay on December 1. I saw the first speech where he mentioned it.

If it were actually Cameroon who had to foot the bill instead of us, it might have put a bit of steel in his backbone.

Alas, it's only taxpayers money, so who gives a toss?



It's all a game anyway, posture and position to try and fool the gullable into thinking he actually gives a damn.

It's all a game anyway, posture and position
that much is true all round, as so much of political life is

Max,

He uses somebody else's backbone.

He can't even stand up to his own party.

Just weaves and ducks.

,

If camoron doesnt pay on 1st of December we just pick up heavy interest charges at something like a rate of interest of 57% per month until we do pay it.

Bring on WONGA.

Maybe the rate is so high because the original charge includes the Black Economy prostitution and drugs included.

But Cameron is in charge of ?

There is not necessarily anything wrong with the demand sent by the EU. There are balancing amounts paid and received all the time. This one just stood out as it was larger than normal. We may well pay it or a smaller amount. The figure is not that much in the scheme of things. For instance, it is less than the rebate that Blair gave away.

whatever the truth of that comment, the public perception will be that eu is ripping us off for money that could be much better spent elsewhere - eg nurses (as opposed to nhs which is just a black hole)

The European Commission slashed its expectations for eurozone growth in its latest autumn economic report. The commission now expects the economy will grow by only 0.8% this year, 1.1% in 2015 and 1.7% in 2016. It also gave major downgrades to the outlook for the two largest eurozone economies — France and Germany. The eurozone continues to struggle with terribly low inflation and high unemployment.


as i have said previously about germany's smoke and mirrors economy

Manuel,

Cameron has attempted to make it look like the EU is ripping the UK off for internal party political reasons.

At the same attempting to con large parts of the public, which he doing.

And this is being done for party politics at the expense of the public purse. I think it is the actions of a corrupt government.

Cameron and Lansley have ripped the UK public off for about £3 billion for their stupidity of ideological changes in the NHS.

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Protect us from centralisation and even more from the fiefdoms which will be created under the decentralisation policies. Another, knee jerk response to UKIP and the referendum.

Can't you tell him governments are supposed to act for the good of the public, not to react to the public.

fred - that was not what i wrote, as you like to remind me from time ..... try the words "public perception"

typically of course you go off on one of your usual (and rather silly) tirades and rants :-)

Manuel,

I mentioned your nickname not your comment or opinion.


Check your glasses and pour yourself another drink.

Cameron is a goner.

He is even losing or has lost the trust of his own party and backers.

what's that got to do with public perception of the £1.7bn demanded by eu?

That’s rich! Labour says it’s now the party of the family but Tories accuse them of hypocrisy after opposing marriage tax break
Tristram Hunt said Labour must talk about importance of 'relationships'
Labour would keep David Cameron’s Troubled Families Programme
Mr Hunt criticised Blair and Brown for not doing enough through tax and benefit system to help families stay together
By DANIEL MARTIN, DAILY MAIL WHITEHALL CORRESPONDENT
PUBLISHED: 01:04, 4 November 2014 | UPDATED: 10:43, 4 November 2014

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Labour was accused of hypocrisy last night after attempting to redefine itself as the party of the family.
Tristram Hunt, the party’s education spokesman, said Labour needed to lose its ‘fear of the “F” word’ and talk more about the importance of ‘bonds and relationships’.
Rather than allowing the Tories to dominate the subject, he said Labour had to ‘shed its leftist qualms’ about appearing patronising when tackling dysfunctional families.
Mr Hunt criticised Tony Blair and Gordon Brown’s governments for not doing enough through the tax and benefit system to help families stay together.
Tory backbenchers said no one would believe Labour’s volte-face because many of its welfare policies while in power had made the position of married couples worse. They poured scorn on Mr Hunt’s intervention, pointing out that his party still opposes the Tories’ marriage tax break.
In an interview with The Independent, Mr Hunt said Labour needed to change its tune on the family if it wanted to tackle the problem of social immobility.
He confirmed that Labour would keep David Cameron’s Troubled Families Programme, which intervenes in families with problems such as anti-social behaviour, worklessness and truancy.
The former TV historian admitted that previous Labour administrations had relied too much on transferring money to disadvantaged households through tax credits, and suggested it had shied away from talking about the importance of stable relationships because of qualms about dictating family structures.
Mr Hunt said: ‘We’re talking to Labour colleagues about shedding any vestige of fear about talking about the importance and significance of the family, and how important stable relationships and stable parenting environments are for children’s attainment.
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‘We shouldn’t let the Right and the Conservatives have that. There has been a fear of the “F” word and I think the balance is to say that families do take different forms and it’s really, really important that we focus on quality of relationships and what breakdown means as barriers for children succeeding.
‘It is important from the position of shadow secretary of state to stress just how significant nurture, attachment, parenting and support for the family as a vital component of social mobility and educational attainment is going to be for the next Labour government and shedding any leftist qualms about how significant and valuable the family is.’
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Mr Hunt criticised Tony Blair (right) and Gordon Brown (left)’s administrations for not doing enough through the tax and benefit system to help families stay together
Mr Hunt said Labour had to ‘reflect upon’ academic evidence which shows that supporting families is not just a matter of giving them benefits.
‘Too much of the Labour project was closely associated just with fiscal transfers rather than stressing the importance of bonds and attachments and relationships and the broader cultural importance and value,’ he said.
‘This wasn’t often stressed as much as it could have been.’ He added: ‘These families are troubled, and it’s multiple levels of trouble, and it would not be solved by more tax credits. We don’t have the money for that and we know the limitations of that project.’

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Peter Bone, Tory MP for Wellingborough, said: ‘Words are cheap, but it’s action that counts. If you look at their record during 13 years in power, you see that they did nothing to bring families together.
‘These words are just Labour propaganda with six months to go till the election.
‘People will think it’s ludicrous. No one is going to believe Labour on this. They’re opposed to the marriage tax allowance, and they did nothing but sign cheques for disadvantaged families when they were in charge.
‘Hypocrisy and Labour seem to go hand in hand.’
A source at the Department for Education said: ‘Families will not be lectured by Tristram Hunt. The last Labour government ruined the economy, adding pressure on families up and down the country. Families know that is what they will do again if they get a chance.’


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It is the twist from a twister for internal party politics, as has been said, by European commentators.

Big Eric takes over...



Eric Pickles takes over ‘rotten’ Tower Hamlets

Crackdown on London borough’s ‘partisan approach to politics’ represents one of his biggest interventions in local government



Patrick Wintour, political editor


The Guardian, Tuesday 4 November 2014 14.27 GMT





The communities secretary, Eric Pickles, has taken over the administration of Tower Hamlets council in east London for two years after an inquiry commissioned by his department found wholesale mismanagement, questionable grant-giving and a failure to secure best value for local taxpayers.

Pickles plans to dispatch three commissioners to administrate grant-giving, property transactions and the administration of future elections in the borough.

The commissioners, who will be answerable to Pickles, will be in place until March 2017 and are tasked with drawing up an action plan to improve governance in the council, including the permanent appointment of three senior council officers including a chief executive.

Pickles said his direct intervention was against everything he believed in, but he said the report, conducted by the accountancy firm PwC, showed the directly elected mayor, Lutfur Rahman, had sown division and should bow his head in shame at the report’s findings. Executive power had been left unchecked and misused, he added.

Pickles’ actions represent his biggest intervention in local government since he took over Doncaster council in 2010, but he insisted “there can be no place for rotten boroughs in the 21st century”. His actions were largely supported by Labour.

Pickles said the report painted “a deeply concerning picture of obfuscation, denial, secrecy the breakdown of democratic scrutiny and a culture of cronyism risking the corrupt spending of public funds”.

He proposed that all Tower Hamlets grant-making, property disposals and publicity functions be sanctioned by the commissioners. In an attempt to reduce the threat of electoral fraud in the 2015 general elections, Pickles also announced that the appointment of electoral registration officer and returning officer are to be exercised by the commissioners.


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Scottish Labour leadership contest: unions refuse to back Jim Murphy
Bookies’ favourite faces uphill struggle after Scotland’s biggest union Unison pledges support for leftwing rival Neil Findlay
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Unison and Unite refused to back the candidacy of Jim Murphy, above, as the leader of Labour in Scotland. Photograph: Jeff J Mitchell/Getty Images
Jim Murphy is facing an uphill struggle to win potentially crucial leftwing support for his campaign to become Labour’s leader in Scotland after the country’s two biggest unions refused to back his candidacy.

The former secretary of state for Scotland, who is on the right of the party, apologised to the people of Scotland for Labour’s repeated failure to listen to their concerns, and for its lack of vision for Scotland, as he launched his campaign in Edinburgh yesterday.

“I want to apologise, because twice Scots have said they didn’t think we were good enough to govern in Scotland – in 2007 and 2011. We didn’t listen to them. That has to change,” said the MP for East Renfrewshire, adding that the party’s problem was not its lack of ideals but a failure to convey any real sense of its relevance to people’s lives. “Let’s be honest, it’s our vision for Scotland. Or more truthfully our lack of vision. We have been rejected and now we need to change.”

Murphy cited the fight to reduce poverty and increase prosperity as twin aims if he became leader. MSPs Sarah Boyack and Neil Findlay are also standing in the contest to replace Johann Lamont, who quit saying that the Westminster party treated Scottish Labour like a “branch office”.

While he is the firm favourite of the bookies, Murphy suffered a setback within minutes of delivering his speech yesterday when Scotland’s biggest union, Unison, came out in favour of the leftwing Findlay, and the second biggest, Unite, said Murphy had to do far more to win its endorsement.

Unison’s chair in Scotland, Gordon McKay, said Findlay offered a “radical new policy approach” that would be welcomed by its members.

“Members have been hugely impressed with Neil Findlay since he became an MSP and in particular as shadow cabinet secretary for health and wellbeing.

“Neil understands that politics as usual isn’t good enough and we believe he offers a fresh approach with a real experience and understanding of the concerns of working people,” he said.

Union members have a third of the vote in the “electoral college” to decide who becomes the new leader and deputy leader. A third also goes to Scottish MPs, MSPs and MEPs together, and a third to party members in Scotland.

Pat Rafferty, the Scottish secretary of Unite, issued a blunt statement making clear Murphy had a long political road to travel before he would win the endorsement of the union. “On the basis of this speech, it is extremely difficult for them to find much to find hope that Jim Murphy is offering the genuine, positive change in Scottish Labour they seek,” Rafferty said. “We urge him to use the coming days and weeks to give Labour voters much more substance to go on.”

Last week, by contrast, Unite welcomed Findlay into the contest. While the voting system is “one member one vote”, and each member is free to choose whichever candidate they want, the recommendations of the unions’ leaderships will be influential, as they were in the election of Ed Miliband as Labour leader in 2010.

Murphy supporters insisted on Saturday night that they were confident that their man would win the support of a majority of Westminster, Holyrood and EU parliamentarians to win the race. He was seen a crucial figure in delivering a no vote in the Scottish referendum, having toured more than 100 towns, cities and villages to make the case for the union.

Meanwhile, the North Ayrshire and Arran MP, Katy Clark, has became the first person to enter the contest for the deputy leadership, which became vacant when Anas Sarwar followed Lamont in stepping down.

On Thursday, opinion polls by Ipsos/Mori and YouGov suggested Labour faced the prospect of losing most of its 41 Scottish seats to the SNP in next May’s general election – enough, potentially, to deprive it of a majority in Westminster.

The choice of the next Labour leader in Scotland is therefore seen as critical to the party’s chances of forming the next government, as well as its chances of reviving itself north of the border.

Voting in the electoral college starts on 17 November and the new leader will be declared on 13 December.

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