Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

suddenly a volte face from you then after all these months of shouting your head off about my family and others being a bunch of yellow-bellied scumbags for fleeing the pogroms and similar in poland and other countries ....

actually, my grandparents on both sides arrived in this country early in 20th century and in due course did pretty well in biz ......

and nor should you forget that in those days, there was no welfare state, but by and large the local (jewish) communities looked after their own

during the war, even those fleeing germany had to have guarantors before they were allowed entree

so all in all, about time you stopped being such a rabble-rousing, racist polemicist, all too often spreading inaccurate "facts"!

would you like me to expand further?

A second chamber is useful providing it does not have equal power to the first. If you have two chambers controlled by different parties then you get a stalemate. Our second chamber is largely a revising chamber to scrutinise legislation and amend it. Luckily, we have the Parliament Act to push through legislation that the Lords rejects. Balanced power between two chambers gives weak government even worse than a coalition.

TANKER...... right my policy................. stop all these Pakistanis coming into the country arranged marriages etc etc.

EEC .........NOW put quotas in and make would be immigrants prove they have a job here waiting for them and at least the minimum wage rate. A covering letter and a phone call needed plus a follow up visit to the employer required. No benefits at all bar the first 2 months for example to get them settled in a house etc etc. After that benefits based on there NI contributions.

By a quota I would say the average of what we have going out into EEC countries from here. Say a maximum of 75 thousand per year.

Dont forget I have 6 holiday homes spread through EEC countries, I dont want that cutting off.

No Child benefit or any other benefit to be sent home.

Declare they are behind the state and they will fight for Britain if called up for a war.

They are here to stay with exceptionals tolerated.

i cringe at american politics
it certainly looks that the richest candidate wins, and the idea that a second chamber can totally hamstring the first for reasons that have little or anything to do with common sense or anything other than "their" party's stance, is absolutely appalling

i see MrT does not have an e-mail contact here .... i wonder why that would be

if he did, i'ld send him a copy of 49298

gf thanks for your answer . what about health cover should they like the people of the uk when working in the eu have medical insurance when in the eu I have to have cover or pay the doctor

cynic , I support jews and always have and have nothing against them they do stand for justice

oh dear oh dear oh dear!
perhaps you should revisit your maelstrom of posts over the last months

and what is the difference between a jew, a moslem, or the mass of others from all sorts of races and creeds who have migrated here and contributed hugely to this country's richness of culture and general economy?

no, i am not remotely suggesting an open-door policy, but nor do i remotely support the idea of slamming the door on all immigration

TANKER

Wel we ourselfs have to pay for a note dont we when going abroad for medical insurance, so YES they must have a valid medical insurance note. NO EXCEPTIONS.

And on benefits Camoron as got it all wrong benefits should be available for the first month or so to get them settled and into there guaranteed job, not later when they might be unemployed and robbing the country.

Just asking a few questions which puzzles me.

Is somebody, who is normal lives in the UK, buys a property abroad, or sets up, or invests in a business, imports their “earnings” to this country, or takes prolonged holidays in the countries of “earnings” and utilises the “income” on “house improvement” “cheating” those foreign countries out of their “wealth”?

Or, like some UK overseas workers who send money home to support their families, are they cheating those nasty “foreign countries”?
What would be the cost of pulling up the drawbridge?

Or is it right to denude those nasty countries of the “health and best workers” to “prop” up our system, leaving those countries less able to look after the “weaker members” of the own countries?

Cyners remember yesterday when I said I had sold MKS..........clucking H

I won be listening to them winkers on advn anymore.

SUGAR.

gf no w if they arrive here they should have funds to support them selves that is the problem .

sticks - didn't see that i must confess, not least because i wouldn't have bought mks in the first place ..... are you sure it wasn't suggested that you sell CEY yesterday? :-)

FRED im all for people WHO have paid into a system (historicaly) to get benefits.

For example Im certainly against this governments proposals of taking away the winter fuel allowance from wealthy people. (labours idea aswel)

If you have paid into a scheme I say you get the benefits of that scheme no matter what your wealth, you have paid for it.

But if someone comes to this country and gets it without paying into the system or paying a premium for it, it should be withdrawn immediately.

But the powers that be don't want to restrict benefits.

taking away winter fuel allowance from wealthy people

i understand your logic, but disagree
would you or i even notice if we didn't get it?
should those who have chosen to live abroad get it?

i'm not even convinced that those of pensionable age but quite well off should get free prescriptions

however, would withdrawing the above two benefits make any significant difference to the exchequer?

TANKER - 05 Nov 2014 11:04 - 49309 of 49311

gf no w if they arrive here they should have funds to support them selves that is the problem .................................ends

Yep you have a good point there, but remember some well most are coming from poor countries, maybe they havent the deposit for a house. Got to remember TANKER them that want to really contribute here maybe very poor.

Do you think my proposal s are a lot better than what is going on at the moment.?

dangerous ground if you don't want to accept open-door
how will you draw the line?

GF>

The "welfare benefits system is a mine field".

However, consider a young physicist researcher who has a "bright" and seemingly "feasible" idea for developing "quickly" a highly productive process for producing clean "energy" comes for to this country after applying for and getting a job, has an accident, necessitating spinal operation and a long convalescence of 3-6 months before he can return to "productive" work.

Do we refuse him the operation, chuck him out on the street, packaging him a black bag and send him home.

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Consider in a similar way, a young waitress who has worked in London for 6 months develops symptoms of TB (because of catching it in the living conditions in London) and because of low wages has no savings, do we send her back to the country of origin, or do we support her until she is fit again?

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We live in a connected world and have connected responsibilities. (Ebola)

Yep its very difficult Cyners, certainly not black and white issue debate.

See my post 49300.