Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

gf thanks for your answer . what about health cover should they like the people of the uk when working in the eu have medical insurance when in the eu I have to have cover or pay the doctor

cynic , I support jews and always have and have nothing against them they do stand for justice

oh dear oh dear oh dear!
perhaps you should revisit your maelstrom of posts over the last months

and what is the difference between a jew, a moslem, or the mass of others from all sorts of races and creeds who have migrated here and contributed hugely to this country's richness of culture and general economy?

no, i am not remotely suggesting an open-door policy, but nor do i remotely support the idea of slamming the door on all immigration

TANKER

Wel we ourselfs have to pay for a note dont we when going abroad for medical insurance, so YES they must have a valid medical insurance note. NO EXCEPTIONS.

And on benefits Camoron as got it all wrong benefits should be available for the first month or so to get them settled and into there guaranteed job, not later when they might be unemployed and robbing the country.

Just asking a few questions which puzzles me.

Is somebody, who is normal lives in the UK, buys a property abroad, or sets up, or invests in a business, imports their “earnings” to this country, or takes prolonged holidays in the countries of “earnings” and utilises the “income” on “house improvement” “cheating” those foreign countries out of their “wealth”?

Or, like some UK overseas workers who send money home to support their families, are they cheating those nasty “foreign countries”?
What would be the cost of pulling up the drawbridge?

Or is it right to denude those nasty countries of the “health and best workers” to “prop” up our system, leaving those countries less able to look after the “weaker members” of the own countries?

Cyners remember yesterday when I said I had sold MKS..........clucking H

I won be listening to them winkers on advn anymore.

SUGAR.

gf no w if they arrive here they should have funds to support them selves that is the problem .

sticks - didn't see that i must confess, not least because i wouldn't have bought mks in the first place ..... are you sure it wasn't suggested that you sell CEY yesterday? :-)

FRED im all for people WHO have paid into a system (historicaly) to get benefits.

For example Im certainly against this governments proposals of taking away the winter fuel allowance from wealthy people. (labours idea aswel)

If you have paid into a scheme I say you get the benefits of that scheme no matter what your wealth, you have paid for it.

But if someone comes to this country and gets it without paying into the system or paying a premium for it, it should be withdrawn immediately.

But the powers that be don't want to restrict benefits.

taking away winter fuel allowance from wealthy people

i understand your logic, but disagree
would you or i even notice if we didn't get it?
should those who have chosen to live abroad get it?

i'm not even convinced that those of pensionable age but quite well off should get free prescriptions

however, would withdrawing the above two benefits make any significant difference to the exchequer?

TANKER - 05 Nov 2014 11:04 - 49309 of 49311

gf no w if they arrive here they should have funds to support them selves that is the problem .................................ends

Yep you have a good point there, but remember some well most are coming from poor countries, maybe they havent the deposit for a house. Got to remember TANKER them that want to really contribute here maybe very poor.

Do you think my proposal s are a lot better than what is going on at the moment.?

dangerous ground if you don't want to accept open-door
how will you draw the line?

GF>

The "welfare benefits system is a mine field".

However, consider a young physicist researcher who has a "bright" and seemingly "feasible" idea for developing "quickly" a highly productive process for producing clean "energy" comes for to this country after applying for and getting a job, has an accident, necessitating spinal operation and a long convalescence of 3-6 months before he can return to "productive" work.

Do we refuse him the operation, chuck him out on the street, packaging him a black bag and send him home.

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Consider in a similar way, a young waitress who has worked in London for 6 months develops symptoms of TB (because of catching it in the living conditions in London) and because of low wages has no savings, do we send her back to the country of origin, or do we support her until she is fit again?

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We live in a connected world and have connected responsibilities. (Ebola)

Yep its very difficult Cyners, certainly not black and white issue debate.

See my post 49300.

minimum wage in usa
unless i am much mistaken, the minimum wage in usa is $7.75 (~£4.85) with all sorts of exemptions from that

no further comment required!

fred - i'm not sure if you are advocating an open-door policy, for sometimes it looks that you do and other times not!

anyway, if we have some sort of quota system - eg a point system as in oz - then once a person has been accepted under same, then of course he should also benefit from the the benefits ......

i would still allow said immigrant to be booted out in the event that he commits serious or habitual crime

FRED your above post, give me time to think it over. And Im not giving you the answer that is best suited. I will give you the truth on what I think......cheers.

PMqs just coming on might be a bit late getting back.

Not that you are un important but I think this is best prog these days on TV sadly.

Call me a sad B, her indoors does when I watch the politics.........she hasnt a clue.

Manuel.

American politics.

Some of the things which are needed in the UK is a method to limit the amount of money which can be used for canvassing at general and local elections.

Also, donations, financial and money raising by all parties should be in the public domain.

Also, the amount of cash used in lobbying should be transparent.

Also, complete and open examination of MPs accounts 5 years prior and after their election.

If this is not done UK government will follow the American route.

We have already started on a similar pathway.
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that the american candidates seem to have a plethora of ways of circumventing so-called financial limitations is only a very small part of the what i think is the disaster of the american political system