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FTSE + FTSE 250 - consider trading (FTSE)     

cynic - 20 Oct 2007 12:12

rather than pick out individual stocks to trade, it can often be worthwhile to trade the indices themselves, especially in times of high volatility.

for those so inclined, i attach below charts for FTSE and FTSE 250, though one might equally be tempted to trade Dow or S&P, which is significantly broader in its coverage, or even NASDAQ

for ease of reading, i have attached 1 year and 3 month charts in each instance

cynic - 22 Mar 2010 12:59 - 4940 of 21973

and probably still not too late to short Dow

HARRYCAT - 22 Mar 2010 13:14 - 4941 of 21973

I can't decide if the current correction is just a combination of quadruple witching, end of U.K. tax year, pre-election tension & year end reporting, or something else entirely. A number of market watchers (journalists mainly!) seem to think that many weak bulls are taking profit now & waiting for a clear market direction after the election.
Short FTSE, imo, though not so sure DOW.

cynic - 22 Mar 2010 13:43 - 4942 of 21973

indices are for trading ...... Dow is o'bought and o'due a (potentially heavy) correction ...... as for FTSE, leave alone for now

Chris Carson - 22 Mar 2010 13:46 - 4943 of 21973

I agree with you on that one Harry, I keep hitting myself over the head with a golf club, for what it's worth and trade what I see not what I wan't to see, and if confused stay out.

cynic - 22 Mar 2010 14:53 - 4944 of 21973

should have cashed some Dow profit earlier .... never mind; still expect the correction to happen, and if it doesn't then plenty of long positions to (more than) compensate

cynic - 22 Mar 2010 20:00 - 4945 of 21973

interesting tussle as to whether or not Dow can break 10780 with any impetus - so far, not so

HARRYCAT - 23 Mar 2010 11:19 - 4946 of 21973

"Six arrested in FSA and SOCA insider dealing investigation
In the first operation carried out jointly between the Financial Services Authority (FSA) and the Serious Organised Crime Agency (SOCA), 16 addresses have been searched this morning in London, the South East and Oxfordshire in the FSAs largest ever operation against insider dealing.
Documents and computers have been seized from residential and business premises.
Six men including two senior city professionals at leading city institutions and one city professional at a hedge fund have been arrested on suspicion of being involved in a sophisticated and long-running insider dealing ring.
It is believed that the city professionals passed inside information to traders (either directly or via middlemen) who traded based on this information and have made significant profits as a result.
The operation was carried out by 143 FSA personnel together with officers from SOCA as part of a joint investigation that commenced in late 2007.
No further details can be confirmed at this time."

Just hope the two professionals didn't work for any company in which I am currently a stock holder!

jkd - 23 Mar 2010 16:20 - 4947 of 21973

i still think i must be the biggest long term bear here. i just dont believe that government bail outs and quantitive easing can resolve deep underlying problems. i may well be wrong. i do hope so because ive been long the market for quite some time. but still very cautious.
regards
jkd

cynic - 23 Mar 2010 16:22 - 4948 of 21973

i'm not a long term bear by any means, for i am currently short Dow, though purely because it looks severely o'bought to me ...... that said, the trend is currently against me, though i'll stay with it for now

Chris Carson - 23 Mar 2010 18:54 - 4949 of 21973

Dow has made 3 new highs today and currently working on a 4th, the trend is winning. Ftse as usual is aimlessly following like a lost puppy! Something has to give but I aint calling it..

HARRYCAT - 23 Mar 2010 20:14 - 4950 of 21973

DOW +103, Cynic. Not sure when you started your short, but trust you haven't had to sell the family silver???

Balerboy - 23 Mar 2010 20:21 - 4951 of 21973

silver went ages ago.... down to the brass now..:)

cynic - 23 Mar 2010 20:38 - 4952 of 21973

not that bad, but shall consider whether or not to cut losses ..... can't win every time

klal - 23 Mar 2010 22:06 - 4953 of 21973

Cynic, don't mean to butt in but DOW is not really showing any signs of weakness (on the daily chart) - no swing lows have been taken out. This market ain't ready for big shorts yet. It's stair-stepping ever higher. I hate it when it does this...but in the end, the market goes where it wants to.

Hmmmmm...on a closer look, I notice the DOW has completed an AB-CD pattern terminating at the current high. Could be interesting tomorrow.

jkd - 23 Mar 2010 22:59 - 4954 of 21973

cynic
looks like klal is suggesting you might be right to be short, just suggesting that is.but then i dont do elliott wave so i could be completely misinterpreting him.
i trust and know you will make up your own mind and not be influenced by he or me or anyone else.
good luck.
regards
jkd

jimmy b - 24 Mar 2010 01:38 - 4955 of 21973

As i said before that's why trading Indices is pure gambling ...

klal - 24 Mar 2010 06:29 - 4956 of 21973

jkd, I don't do Elliott Wave either - too complicated for my simple mind. The ABCD pattern I was referring to is more of a measured move thing.

cynic, I hope you've set an affordable stop on your short. If there's one thing I've learnt in these years, it is the value of a sensible stop level.

cynic - 24 Mar 2010 06:58 - 4957 of 21973

no great damage being done, though it's annoying ..... i still hold that Dow is badly o'bought, but you can't actually beat a trend, so if things look to be continuing strong, i'll cut ...... fortunately, after many years, i have learnt much better discipline in cutting losses - and also banking profits

Falcothou - 24 Mar 2010 07:55 - 4958 of 21973

Lot of stops taken out at 1150, Bulls now want 1200...
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ten-reasons-why-this-is-not-a-bull-market-2010-03-24

cynic - 24 Mar 2010 07:58 - 4959 of 21973

???? what index is that?
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