Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

I agree that they should be dealt with in a more strict way, but the chances are that many of them have British nationality either by birth or by becoming British citizens and cannot be deported.

It is interesting that some countries take away citizenship and deport people back to their original country if they turn out to be less than ideal citizens. It would help if citizenship had some element of a probationary period for say ten years during which a reasonable standard of behaviour could be expected. The current state is even worse than the citizenship problem. Once permission to stay here is granted then it is almost impossible to get rid of someone.

There is a case at present where someone who was given permission to stay here had been driving without any documents for years and was caught multiple times. He eventually ran over a girl and dragged her under the car for some distance leaving her to die in the street and then drove off. A deportation order was granted, but the courts cancelled it on appeal due violating his human rights. Cameron has been complaining about the case for the last couple of months.

By the way, parrot, don't be jealous of those of us who live in nice places like Wimbledon, just try getting a job.

You would have to accept that Wimbledon is a nice place to live, which I do not. It is is in South London for a start, which would rule it out being a nice place anyway. ore like New Malden/Raynes Park anyway, which is a tip of an area.

I shall easily resist the temptation to engage in a slanging match with an infant.

Israel Prize winners call for Palestinian state

http://en.news.maktoob.com/20090000700180/Israel_Prize_winners_call_for_Palestinian_state/Article.htm

Kenyan lawmakers have strongly condemned Israel for dispatching mercenaries and spreading political unrest in the east African country, a report says.

The lawmakers say the mercenaries of Israeli origin were planning to assassinate high-profile political figures and target key government installations, a Press TV correspondent reported.

We have reports that there are two mercenaries in Kenya of Israeli descent who are here to carry out assassinations targeting key politicians amongst the Prime minister and the Speaker of the National Assembly, said Millie Odhiambo, a member of Kenyas Parliament and a key supporter of the countrys premier.

Prime Minister Raila Odinga at a media briefing in Nairobi confirmed the reports, saying he was due to discuss the matter with Israeli envoy to Kenya.

I have heard like you too that there are mercenaries here but that is all can say but I have seen a request by the Israeli ambassador who wants to meet me to

There is a strong likelyhood that Palestine intends to make a unilateral announcement of a Palestinian state in September. Israel is none too happy about this and nor is the US. The intention is to put the request before the UN in September. Indications are that the US may not vote against it.

I'm all for a Palestinian state achieved peacefully.
Israel needs to take the initiative now and enter serious negotiations.

That won't happen as all they want is more land. There are several quotes from various leaders including Netenyahu saying that the more land they get the better as the Palestinians will never get it back. They don't want peace. It has been said by Israeli leaders before that no Arab has the right to a single piece of land in 'greater' Israel. Greater Israel includes the West Bank as well and all the land to the Jordan river.

Peace negociations are a delaying tactic to get more land settled. Abbas and the PA offered incredible and quite shocking concessions as revealed by the PA papers leaked by Al Jazeera and still Israel said no. That was the best deal they are ever going to get. The second problem is that even with a peace deal, Hezbollah and Hamas won't accept it without the return of Palestinian refugees. Israel won't accept that.

Plenty of bloodshed to come then and to turn you on.

I don't want to see any bloodshed at all, but it will almost certainly happen with the current policies of Israel. The very least a settlement would have to be is 1967 borders, the right of return of Palestinian refugees, compensatrion for land and property taken within Israel post 1948 and the return of ALL land settled in the West Bank. All land within the West Bank has to be returned because that is where Palestine would be. At some stage after a Palestine state was formed, they would expect to have their own army etc as any other state.

Dream on......LOL

Exactly. And that is why there will be no peace treaty with any value.

this is ITLOTB in 2006,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5MvQI0dshw&feature=related

Fahel this is for you.

Red Cross: No Humanitarian Crisis in Gaza



"There is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza." So states categorically Mathilde Redmatn, the deputy director of the Red Cross in the Gaza Strip.

"If you go to the supermarket, there are products, she said, as reported on the IDF website. There are restaurants and a nice beach. The problem is mainly in maintenance of infrastructure and in access to certain goods such as concrete. Israel has the legitimate right to protect [its] civilian population, this right should be balanced with the right of 1.5 million people living in the Gaza Strip.

She acknowledged that Israel has eased its closure on Gaza and has partially lifted export bans.

"Rocket fire from the Gaza Strip is against international law because it is directed at civilians," the Red Cross official said. "We conduct confidential or bilateral dialogue with Hamas on the matter. As time passes, the dialogue also develops."

She said that the Red Cross has also asked to meet with captive soldier Gilad Shalit: "When a person's freedom is taken away, he deserves at least contact with his family. We will continue to ask but we do not have the capability to force anything on Hamas. Hamas' refusal is based on security reasons. Hamas is afraid of the IDF's advanced technological capabilities and believes that allowing contact will lead to the location of Gilad

Oh dear Fahel-this video was exposed as a hoax years ago.Only you can dig up old files and cut and paste as you only ever do.

I have only seen the "There is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza." comment on Israeli news sites. I have yet to find a Red Cross site saying that. It makes you wonder if it is a hoax. The comments came in an interview with an Israeli spokesman so you might as well ignore the comments. The original interview was posted on the IDF'S official web site (the Israeli Defence Force). It is just propaganda.

There is a comment on the Huffington Post whcih reads as follows: -

The story about Mathilde Redmatn is a fake. I simply called the IRC in Washington DC and they could not find a Mathilde Redmatn in their directory and said there is no such title as "Deputy Director of Gaza".

She says "If you go to the supermarket, there are products, . That is not the problesm. It is supplies of medicine and access to medical treatment that cause humanitarian crises. The lack of fuel to fire power stations causeing power ouages day after day. Building materials are also banned. Israel stops Gaza from exporting anything so they have no income. Money is given to Gaza via the PA and the PA just keep the money.

There is no reason to be cooperative over Shalit as Israel holds several thousand Palestinians, plenty of whom are in solitary confinement and have no visitors or access to Red Cross. It is the same as the Shalit case but much worse. I know that Hamas wants to kidnap a few more Israeli soldiers to help redress the balance with the numbers of Palestinians held by Israel. Israel still tortures captives, but has sub contracted out some of the torture to their colaborators now the PA.

A joke to cheer this miserable thread up......

A fleeing Taliban, desperate for water, was plodding through the Afghan desert when he saw something far off in the distance. Hoping to find water, he hurried toward the oasis, only to find a little old Jewish man at a small stand, selling ties. The Taliban asked, "Do you have water?"

The Jewish man replied, "I have no water. Would you like to buy a tie? They are only $5."

The Taliban shouted, "Idiot! I do not need an over-priced tie. I need water! I should kill you, but I must find water first!"

"OK," said the old Jewish man, "It does not matter that you do not want to buy a tie and that you hate me. I will show you that I am bigger than that. If you continue over that hill to the east for about two miles, you will find a lovely restaurant. It has all the ice cold water you need. Shalom."

Cursing, the Taliban staggered away over the hill.



Several hours later he staggered back, almost dead & said, "Your brother won't let me in without a tie!"__,

:)

that one's as old as moses, but it's still good