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THE TALK TO YOURSELF THREAD. (NOWT)     

goldfinger - 09 Jun 2005 12:25

Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

TANKER - 06 Nov 2014 10:33 - 49405 of 81564

back to the eu and the EHIC a few facts go to any hotel on hol and get the desk or your rep to phone the first question they ask have you got cash or insurance doc

fact I go to spain 9 times ayear Majorca 5 times Portugal 3 times
france many weekends the only country that honour the ehic is malta

I go to Poland twice a year for my daughters company no free anything you pay or get no doctor

MaxK - 06 Nov 2014 10:34 - 49406 of 81564

MPs: Failure of IDS’s Work Programme is a scandal







Public Accounts Committee issues damning verdict




Nigel Morris Author Biography
Deputy Political Editor


Thursday 06 November 2014


The companies running the Government’s flagship scheme to cut joblessness have backtracked on promises to focus on hard-to-help claimants, a MPs’ report published today says.

The Public Accounts Committee denounced the failure to target more help on the most difficult cases as a “scandal”.

Firms operating the Work Programme are spending less than half the amount they had originally pledged on claimants with disabilities such as mental health problems. Such groups are being “parked” as the firms focus on finding jobs for people considered easier to help into employment, the PAC said.


In a damning verdict on the programme, which was launched three years ago, the MPs accused Iain Duncan Smith’s Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) of failing to give incentives to providers to support harder-to-help claimants to find a job.

Almost 90 per cent of claimants of Employment and Support Allowance, which is paid to the sick and disabled, who are on the Work Programme have not been found jobs.



the rest of the shambles report is here:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/mps-failure-of-idss-work-programme-is-a-scandal-9842188.html

TANKER - 06 Nov 2014 10:35 - 49407 of 81564

and have spoken to 4 conservative and one labour mp about the issue they said and do have a letter from clegg him self saying all countries have their own system you need to buy insurance when going out of the uk

Haystack - 06 Nov 2014 10:35 - 49408 of 81564



YouGov have done some drilling down into the public’s expectations and perceptions for The Sun; the numbers are terrible for Ed Miliband. With six months to election day a mere 19% think he is up to the job of being Prime Minister. This compares with 28% saying that of Gordon Brown six months before the last election, before the former Prime Mentalist went on to deliver Labour’s worst poll result in generations. The Tory press have never liked Ed, what will dismay Team Miliband is that his few media allies have lost faith. The Guardian is persistently sceptical of Ed’s merits, Owen Jones is scathing, the only national newspaper to back Ed for leader – the Sunday People – is despairing, the once fervent New Statesman now damns him.

So many Labour MPs openly admit that Ed is just not up to it that CCHQ has gleefully set up a dedicated website to highlight Labour MPs’ complaints. At PMQs Ed’s weakness is broadcast weekly to the nation. So what does Ed do?

cynic - 06 Nov 2014 10:35 - 49409 of 81564

out of curiosity, does poland (for instance) actually have an equivalent to NHS?
if not, then of course she'ld have to pay, just as you do here if you go privately

anyway, i was under the impression that costs had to be reclaimed on return to uk, but i could easily be wrong

Stan - 06 Nov 2014 10:40 - 49410 of 81564

"I am always surprised that MPs vote against capital punishment when there is a clear majority of people in favour of it."

Surprised H\S why? as people like you and your cronies would be among the first in the queue I'm sure.

Haystack - 06 Nov 2014 10:42 - 49411 of 81564

The comments about the work programming come just from Labour MP Margaret Hodge who is chairman of the committee. The other complaints are not directed towards IDS. It is the DWP that is being criticised together with some of the companies involved. The report is not that critical. It accepts that thing are improving and gives some recommendations. But that doesn't make a good story.

cynic - 06 Nov 2014 10:46 - 49412 of 81564

stan - i would have agreed with your comment a few years back, but in the light of recent events in usa (botched executions) let alone in m/e, i wonder if the public is still of that mind - that is to say, overall as opposed to a knee-jerk reaction to a specific crime

Haystack - 06 Nov 2014 10:47 - 49413 of 81564

stan
It is good to see one's prejudices against rabid socialists confirmed.

MaxK - 06 Nov 2014 10:50 - 49414 of 81564

Not sure about other countries and the EHIC

But a lot of hospitals in spain are refusing the card because they are not getting paid.


This is not because the patients country is not paying whats due, but a failure of the Madrid gov to pass on the money.

Haystack - 06 Nov 2014 10:52 - 49415 of 81564

Anyone who goes abroad should have travel insurance. Some of the EU countries have very basic non private health care.

goldfinger - 06 Nov 2014 10:58 - 49416 of 81564

Absolute twaddle being spoken by Hays once again. He takes everything from the Torygraph. IDS and is department the DSS are in a real mess. The only reason he is still in a job is because he as something on Camoron..........

Haystack Send an email to Haystack View Haystack's profile - 06 Nov 2014 10:42 - 49414 of 49418

The comments about the work programming come just from Labour MP Margaret Hodge who is chairman of the committee. The other complaints are not directed towards IDS. It is the DWP that is being criticised together with some of the companies involved. The report is not that critical. It accepts that thing are improving and gives some recommendations. But that doesn't make a good story.

goldfinger - 06 Nov 2014 11:02 - 49417 of 81564

Work Programme adviser: ‘Almost every day one of my clients mentioned feeling suicidal 6/11/2014

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/nov/05/work-programme-adviser-box-ticking-sanctioning-sick-people?CMP=share_btn_tw&commentpage=1

goldfinger - 06 Nov 2014 11:05 - 49418 of 81564

Work Programme clients were left suicidal – Guardian 6/11/2014

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Iain Duncan Smith has stated* that the Work Programme “revolutionises the way we provide support to those who are the hardest to help, supporting a move from dependency to independence and getting people into work so that they have financial security for the future”. This is because he can no longer distinguish facts from his own deranged imaginings. *https://www.gov.uk/government/news/work-programme-boosts-prospects-of-long-term-unemployed-in-wales

A scandalous picture of suffering, trauma and destitution is painted by a former Work Programme adviser who was tasked with getting claimants off the employment and support allowance (ESA) sickness benefit, according to Melissa Viney in The Guardian.

Anna Shaw (not her real name) said some clients were homeless, many had had their money stopped and were literally starving and extremely stressed.

Many had extreme mental health conditions, including paranoid schizophrenia, psychosis, bipolar disorder and autism. One – diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia and homeless – said he had not eaten for five days.

Shaw can only speak out anonymously, because when she resigned, after just a few months in the job, her employer made her sign a confidentiality clause.

Ask yourself what kind of government department forces departing employees to sign a confidentiality clause about matters not covered by the Official Secrets Act.

There can only be one answer.

A criminal government – or at least, one that fears exposure as such.

Crucially important for those of us who study the government’s behaviour towards ESA claimants is the revelation that “fundamental issues”, such as physical and mental conditions, homelessness or domestic abuse, simply were not addressed.

And many clients were wrongly assessed as fit to work, including one with multiple sclerosis – a degenerative condition from which it is impossible to recover.

For the full, sorry details of Ms Shaw’s “non-job” of “ticking boxes” and sanctioning benefits, visit the story in The Guardian.

TANKER - 06 Nov 2014 11:10 - 49419 of 81564

cynic no nhs in Poland to call it so very poor country and corruption is ripe
that is why they want to leave Poland and set up home in jersey uk

goldfinger - 06 Nov 2014 11:11 - 49420 of 81564

Thought you had to be there for 10 years before you could buy a house in Jersey TANKER.

Fred1new - 06 Nov 2014 11:12 - 49421 of 81564

Haze.

As forecasted by many, before they were initiated, the ideological tory policies have failed and are continue tofail.

Tax payers money palmed off to incompetent private companies who don't have the expertise and are "failing".

Are they making donations to the cause, or attending dinner parties at No 10?

The persons responsible are IDS and Cameron.

In my opinion both should be sacked without pensions of ongoing negligence in spite of advice!

If they were in the public area themselves the share holders would have got shot of them by now on the grounds of not fit for purpose.

goldfinger - 06 Nov 2014 11:16 - 49422 of 81564

Theyd have been sacked 3 years ago never mind now Fred.

MaxK - 06 Nov 2014 11:22 - 49423 of 81564

the following info came thru the door from the local tory peeps



Employment Boost


Conservative policies are working nationally


*1.3 million of the jobs created since the election are full time

*redundencies are at a record low and there is a record number of women in work

*two thirds of the rise in employment since 2010 has been higher skilled

*employment totals 30.6 million..up 70k this qtr and up 1.8 million since the election

*long term unemployment fell by 213k over the past year

*the claimant count is below one million for the first time since 2008

goldfinger - 06 Nov 2014 11:26 - 49424 of 81564

Absolute Bull sh-t.......

*two thirds of the rise in employment since 2010 has been higher skilled


stands out immediatly.
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