Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

I had to laugh at this one......"This is causing an even bigger over supply in China, so they are dumping it on the EU etc."


Yes my heart bleeds, What about closing down some of their steel mills just like whats in store for those around the UK...

Or is it just the UK's steel mills that have to take the brunt of all this over supply?...

We've lost market share to the Chinese due their over supply and cheap dumping..And due also to the HIGH energy cost that is added to energy bills for climate change and other greens cons by being in the eu....

Actually the green costs are added by the UK. The energy costs in Germany are far lower than here.

National insurance figures set to inflame Brexit
Official data expected to show more European migrants work in UK than previously indicated


well there's a surprise!
and how many "extras" from all sources have learned how to manipulate the system for benefits with no input?

It's the worst kept secret that there are around 1.3 million more than our government would have us believe, and that's without the 1 million or so illegals.
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You could always help out.

Leave the country.

Take Manuel and JB with you.

8-)

No wonder Mervyn King said the EU would destroy Britain , we will be spending fortunes on NHS and services just to stand still , plus the benefits to pay out this is without these other countries yet to fully join , you can bet hoards will make there way over here , and it's all looked over by the stayers .

Haystack "Actually the green cost are added by the UK"

What about the EU European Trading Scheme (ETS)...Agree not as much as the UK adds but still payable...

Well there's a headline Merky won't like on AM news , German factory orders dive in February . What they gonna do with all them Syrians now .

What a prat you really are Fred.
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Have you only just noticed that GEORGE ?

The UK is paying out £700m a year more for the medical costs of British people in the EU than it recoups from other member states for the treatment of their citizens in the UK, Brexit campaigners have said.

Vote Leave, one of the leading groups campaigning to exit the EU, said its new data showed the UK was “getting a bad deal” from the rest of Europe when it came to the reimbursement of medical costs.


The claims sparked an immediate counterattack from Britain Stronger in Europe, the leading remain campaign.

The remain camp said it was proof that Brexit campaigners would expect British holidaymakers in Europe to pay for their own medical care.

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the above is a good example of why it is impossible to get a straight answer on anything in this debate

in fact, when my wife had to see a doctor in france a few years back - potentially serious problem - we had to pay ...... theoretically, we might have been able to go to a hospital and then reclaim, but .......

also
it is not expensive to have medical travel cover and is often included in the package of other travel insurance

one gets the impression that uk hospitals find it too much of a fag - prob much paperwork too - to collect money at the door, though private clinics have no such difficulty

Was or is there a form 111 to fill in before you go abroad , might be wrong , to cover you while on holiday for illness .

You fill a form in then you get a eu health card...BUT they always recommend that you get private medical insurance anyway.

At one time the eu health care didn't cover certain medical conditions, whether they do now, i'm not sure?

Its true what you say about UK hospitals finding it a bind to claim back the cost, not only from eu citizens but those health tourist who come from around the globe, one of the reasons is simply that the NHS is free at source and so find it restrictive to chase for payment..Unlike other EU countries.

As to private clinics not having difficulty getting paid, that's because you have to supply credit card details/private medical insurance, BEFOREHAND..

last part - exactly so
so why can't hospitals do the same?

More paperwork against return.

Prevalence of overseas patients at private clinics makes it worthwhile.

Some NHS hospitals are organised to charge overseas "patients" as they do for motor vehicle accident patients.

Prevalence of overseas patients at private clinics makes it worthwhile ....... codswallop!


Some NHS hospitals are organised to charge overseas "patients" as they do for motor vehicle accident patients ........ and what % is actually collected and what happens if not and what about all the hospitals that are not so organised?

Manuel.

Stop being a smart arse and check and engage the little brain you have before making kneejerk responses.

not my fault "your superciliousness" spouts rubbish .... perhaps you should think about what you're going to write b4 you do ...... or are we pigs meant to accept your garbage as indisputable pearls of wisdom

I am glad you place yourself amongst pigs.

Often would seem appropriate.