Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

aldwickk

Blair gave up half the rebate in return for reform of the Common Agricultural Policy, which didn't happen and still has not. He also gave up our veto on changes to EU legislation.

Ministers telling porkies, who'd have thunk it?


But the real question is....how did they think they could get away with it?

ah well, he had a fine record of all sorts of nasty things and has been raking in the cash in wheelbarrows every since - all in the aid of charity of course

"Blair gave up half the rebate in return for reform of the Common Agricultural Policy,"


The tories have had four years too many to remedy the situation!

Seemingly, all they have done is lined their own pockets and those of the backers in distance low tax areas.

Max, this one takes the biscuit it really does.

Its desperation obviously in light of UKIP chasing them.

I can only think if voters out there feel like I and TANKER today and 'realise the truth' they will leave the Tory party in droves.

took their cue from mr blair perhaps :-)

UK to pay £1.7bn EU bill in full despite Osborne’s claim to have halved it

Chancellor says bill was cut to £850m but Treasury aides admit Britain is also returning its automatic rebate, making up the rest


Ian Traynor in Brussels


The Guardian, Friday 7 November 2014 16.17 GMT






The government has accepted a £1.7bn top-up bill to the EU budget despite repeatedly denouncing its size as unacceptable.

George Osborne, the chancellor, has won a respite, however – avoiding a 1 December deadline and deferring the payment interest-free until next September, well after the general election.



http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/07/uk-pays-full-eu-rebate-despite-osborne-claim-he-halved-it

Manuel,

Blair was a tory plant.

It's all gone tits up for them gf.

i don't know about a plant
i think he was a toad myself

Max it will have by tonights 10 oclock news and people realise they have been duped.

I dont know how they dare do it.

Its just plain lying to the electorate.

Agreed.

or even Amanita muscaria.

ooooooops wrong thread

Medication starting to wear off now Hays so predictable isn't he :))

It wore off this morning.

Ed Miliband is not Labour's only problem

A far greater impediment to the party's prospects is the ineradicable memory of what the last government did to the country

By Telegraph View

When the earth begins to move under the feet of a party leader it can be hard to prevent the tremors developing into a full-blown earthquake. It happened to Iain Duncan Smith in 2003, when persistent sniping at his stewardship of the Conservative Party prompted a vote of confidence that he lost. It also happened to two Liberal Democrat leaders, Charles Kennedy and Menzies Campbell, who were both forced out by panicking MPs as their poll ratings slumped.


Is it now about to happen to Ed Miliband? There has been unhappiness with his leadership from the moment he snatched the job from the grasp of his brother David four years ago. He was immediately at a disadvantage – as was Mr Duncan Smith – in that he won a majority of the votes of the party in the country, but not at Westminster. It is the MPs who have the power to undermine – and eventually break – a party leader in whom they have no confidence. There were high-level mutterings about Mr Miliband last year, notably when Andy Burnham, Labour’s health spokesman, said the party had to come up with a coherent message or kiss goodbye to the next election.


Suddenly, these doubts are everywhere. An editorial in New Statesman this week derides Mr Miliband as an out-of-touch, old-style Hampstead socialist unable to articulate a clear vision of the sort of Britain he wants to see. Writing in our pages, Joe Haines, who was Harold Wilson’s press officer in Downing Street, calls for Mr Miliband to stand aside if the party is to avoid defeat. Backbenchers, and even some shadow ministers, are reported to share his views. For his part, Mr Miliband felt compelled to dismiss any talk of a threat to his leadership as “nonsense”, thereby giving credence to the rumours. He fell back on a somewhat stilted formula that Labour’s focus was “on the country”.


The received wisdom among his party critics is that tone, not policy, is Labour’s undoing. In this they delude themselves. The party’s problem is that it is still run by the same people who crashed the economy into the wall just four years ago. Cynically, they hope to win an election with the support of about one third of the electorate, though their near-meltdown in Scotland has probably put paid to that. But as they look across the political battlefield and see their opponents, too, in disarray – with the Tories facing Ukip’s challenge and the Lib Dems on the verge of oblivion – they believe Labour still has a chance, but fear Mr Miliband’s maladroit demeanour is turning voters away. They fail to see that a far greater impediment is the ineradicable memory of what the last government did to the country.

Medication starting to wear off now Hays so predictable isn't he :))

Luckily, I can't see his ramblings. I am sure that he is upset that Osborne has done so well. I expect him to be in denial though. It may be part of his psychosis that he block out unpleasant facts. The medication usually helps.