goldfinger
- 09 Jun 2005 12:25
Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).
Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.
cheers GF.
goldfinger
- 10 Nov 2014 19:12
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Thats just it Hilary, Labour and the Tory back benches want the vote tonight.
May Canmoron and the Tory front benches dont want the vote tonight.
Im afraid youve got your facts wrong on this occasion.
MaxK
- 10 Nov 2014 19:13
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It's the way the EAW works when going through UK courts.
You have little or no protection against unfair prosecution, as no evidence is required in the first instance.
Think back a few years to the plane spotting geeks who fell foul of greek law for taking a few pictures of aircraft in plain sight of the roadway.
Haystack
- 10 Nov 2014 19:15
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The EAW is a good thing. The process from our point of view has improved. If an EAW is issued for the UK then our judges now have to have oversight of the process and can reject it if it is unreasonable. The EAW is just a quicker to extradite people who are wanted in other EU countries and cut down on the expense and delay.
Haystack
- 10 Nov 2014 19:18
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The EAW has no bearing on the plane spotters in Greece as they were arrested in Greece. The EAW is for wanted people who have fled across borders.
MaxK
- 10 Nov 2014 19:19
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They had returned home, but had to go back.
goldfinger
- 10 Nov 2014 19:22
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May on now she will not allow the vote to be cast.
What a pathetic show from her.
Hays Labour will vote yes for the EAW what on earth are you rambling on about???????
MaxK
- 10 Nov 2014 19:23
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However, there may be a result in the EAW.
Last I heard, some Spanish magistrates were very interested in talking to Tony Blair about war crimes.
You never know.
goldfinger
- 10 Nov 2014 19:32
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Well that would be fine by me Max.
BUT THE FACT IS DAVID CAMORON STOOD UP IN PMQs LAST WEEK AND PROMISED A VOTE ON THE EAW BEFORE THE ROCHESTER BY ELECTION.
TONIGHT IS THE ONLY OPPORTUNITY AND CAMORON HAS GONE BACK ON HIS WORD AND TORY BACK BENCHES AGREE.
MaxK
- 10 Nov 2014 19:36
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Cameroon is an expert on going backwards gf.
Haystack
- 10 Nov 2014 19:51
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MaxK
The plane spotters had to go back as they were released on bail. The bail conditions were that they should return for the trial.
hilary
- 10 Nov 2014 19:52
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Fishfinger,
MPs might want the vote tonight, but this is what Cameron actually said last week:
"I am not delaying having a vote on it. There will be a vote on it. We need, in order to have a vote on it, the small matter of a negotiation to take place within Europe, which up to now the Spanish have been blocking. I think the Spanish will shortly remove their block, and at that moment we will be able to have a vote."
So tell me please, have the Spanish removed their block yet? Has Cameron reneged on his word?
Yet again, a whole load of desperate Socialist propaganda over a non-event.
hilary
- 10 Nov 2014 19:54
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And in the meantime, the tiny-minded, ignorant, racist UKIPpers feel affronted because the first few letters in 'European Arrest Warrant' happen to spell Europe.
Haystack
- 10 Nov 2014 20:00
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LOL
Haystack
- 10 Nov 2014 20:03
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http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/10/icm-guardian-poll-support-labour-drops-criticism-ed-miliband
ICM/Guardian poll: support for Labour drops amid criticism of Ed Miliband
Labour’s poll rating has dropped three percentage points on last month’s, reducing its lead to the slenderest of margins over the Conservatives, according to Guardian/ICM research.
Haystack
- 10 Nov 2014 20:06
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11220865/Labour-and-Ed-Miliband-are-going-down-together.html
Labour and Ed Miliband are going down together
A leadership challenge from Alan Johnson failed to materialise, so Ed Miliband and Labour will limp on to the general election, deceiving themselves that they can win
goldfinger
- 10 Nov 2014 20:11
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Wrong Hilary you are missing the point where he said directly to Ed Milliband that a vote on the EAW would go ahead BEFORE the ROCHESTER by election.
Eyvete Cooper earlier in the debate read out the precise words Camoron used.
goldfinger
- 10 Nov 2014 20:21
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Here we are hilary in black and white, Ill wait for an apology thankyou.
The Prime Minister: I am not delaying having a vote on it. There will be a vote on it. We need, in order to have a vote on it, the small matter of a negotiation to take place within Europe, which up to now the Spanish have been blocking. I think the Spanish will shortly remove their block, and at that moment we will be able to have a vote.
Edward Miliband: We all know the reason why the Prime Minister is not having a vote: it is the by-election in Rochester and Strood. He is paralysed by fear of another Back-Bench rebellion on Europe. So I want to make an offer to him. We have a Labour Opposition day next week. We will give him the time for a vote on the European arrest warrant, and we will help him to get it through.
The Prime Minister: There is only one problem with the right hon. Gentleman’s second question: we are going to have a vote, we going to have it before the Rochester by-election—his questions have just collapsed.
http://labourlist.org/2014/11/tories-in-major-split-over-europe-as-may-denies-mps-vote-on-eaw-that-she-and-the-pm-promised/
goldfinger
- 10 Nov 2014 20:23
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hilary - 10 Nov 2014 19:52 - 49924 of 49930
So tell me please, have the Spanish removed their block yet? Has Cameron reneged on his word?
Yet again, a whole load of desperate Socialist propaganda over a non-event.
goldfinger
- 10 Nov 2014 20:24
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Has Cameron reneged on his word?
A BIG YES.
goldfinger
- 10 Nov 2014 20:26
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It looks like the Tory back benches and labour are trying to recall parliament tomorrow for the vote now.
This as certainly damaged Camoron and May in a big way.
Tories themselves are seething.
They were looking forward to jetting off on holiday, it all depends on the vote now.