Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Manuel,


Yes!!!!!!

Read the label.

Yourself!

What a split party.

Almost as schizoid as "you know who".

The one who toes the party line!

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Manuel,

Not you.

Back to your kennel!

8-)

49930

Cyners see post 49930

this is just a part of it.......

Now it appears Cameron’s ruse has just collapsed. And here’s Theresa May – just yesterday – responding to Yvette Cooper:

“Thank you for your letter of 7 November. Let me be absolutely clear: Monday’s debate and vote in the House of Commons will be a debate and vote on the whole package of 35 measures – including the Arrest Warrant – which the Government wants the UK to remain part of in the national interest.”

Tory MPs – who were lined up for a big rebellion against the EAW (which would have embarrassed Cameron just days before the Rochester and Strood by-election) are understandably furious – as they feel the Commons has been lied to.

Hilary and Hays have gone quiet.

I wonder why.

Nigel Farage ‏@Nigel_Farage 1h

The failure to offer the Commons a vote, & thusly the British public a say on the European Arrest Warrant, is a farce http://news.sky.com/story/1370687/anger-as-european-arrest-warrant-vote-dropped …

i'm not interested in the parliamentary punch and judy show ..... i just wanted to know why it was deemed so important one way or another .... it seems to me that both sides shout equally loudly, so the chances are that it makes little difference in actuality

At the end of the day.

What is all this about?

It's about politicians who cannot carry their supporters, not even their own mp's (all sides)


€urope has done blighty a great service, it has actually broken up the three way split that was the norm before.

All three main leaders are toast at the next election.


Who knows what will follow? But it cant be any worse than what we have now!

Max,

You have a remarkable imagination.

Cool down dear.

Cool down!

Life won't live up to your hopes or expectancy!

Evening Fred.

Stop sniping, and be objective.


How do you seeing it panning out?

The arrest warrant is supported by the leaders of all three parties, who argue it is crucial for law enforcement

so what on earth was the logic of refusing the vote?
yes, for sure there are some hard eurosceptics who would have opposed, probably on both sides, but the response to them should surely have been the equivalent of "publish and be damned"

Exactly, it emerged late last night Camoron didnt want the back bench revolt so near to the Reckless by election.

BBC Radio 4 Today ‏@BBCr4today 6m6 minutes ago

We need a vote on the European Arrest Warrant to "put it beyond legal doubt" and stop complaints from Eurosceptics - Yvette Cooper #r4today

but the tories were always going to get thumped in strood, so what's the odds ..... he's just made yet a further rod for his own back ..... what on earth were he and his so-called advisers thinking of

totally moronic springs readily to mind

Well even Tory Boy (Paul Pearce Daily Mail) on what the papers say on SKY news last night was totaly confused with the PMs actions and hes a great Camoron supporter.

The BIG give away was the Home secretarys letter sunday to Eyvette Cooper shadow Home Office, saying it would be voted on. It was there in Black and White.

The Government has behaved like a sack of greased weasels

In what may have been the first postmodern vote in Commons history, only one thing is clear: Ukip profits



Theresa May was accused of trying to pull a fast one over EAW Photo: GEOFF PUGH



By James Kirkup

8:55PM GMT 10 Nov 2014

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11222123/The-Government-has-behaved-like-a-sack-of-greased-weasels.html


MPs have voted for something. Quite what depends on who’s talking about the vote. Theresa May says the Commons has given its view on British participation in the European Arrest Warrant. John Bercow says that’s not technically accurate: the vote was on a statutory instrument that would incorporate into British law a range of European justice powers that does not include the EAW, which is already in our law. Mrs May concedes the point but insists that the vote is “indicative” on the EAW because ... well, because she says it is. Conservative MPs, who has been promised a vote on the EAW directly, beg to differ.


This may well be the first postmodern vote in Commons history, where the decision of the House is entirely subjective, its meaning and impact varying according to who is speaking. Erskine May meets Jacques Derrida, if you will.


Now, I suspect a few people reading this might not have read either Erskine May or Jacques Derrida. Those people I warmly congratulate on having spent their time on this earth more wisely than those of us who have done those things. Likewise those who have glanced at the EAW story and decided not to immerse themselves in the details. They are the normal, healthy ones here. Anyone who actually follows this stuff closely is frankly a bit odd, and certainly should not be opining on public opinion and the like, because they are utterly unrepresentative of the great British public as a whole.


That being so, I’ll let someone else take over here.


Before the vote, I tried to explain the EAW thing to a colleague, an educated and intelligent adult. After putting up with my rambling about statutory instruments and programme motions for a graciously long period of time, he said: “I didn’t understand a word of that, but I understand that the Government has behaved like a sack of greased weasels.”


Frankly, I can’t put it any better than that.

And guess who benefits when politicians at Westminster behave like a sack of greased weasels? I don’t even have to use his name, do I? But if you really need it, here’s a clue: there are nine more days until the by-election in Rochester and Strood. As things stand, Ukip is going to win quite comfortably.

David Cameron’s name will not be on the ballot paper in Rochester anymore than the EAW was on the Commons Order Paper last night. But that won’t stop the by-election vote being pretty strongly “indicative”, will it?

Here it is.........

“Thank you for your letter of 7 November. Let me be absolutely clear: Monday’s debate and vote in the House of Commons will be a debate and vote on the whole package of 35 measures – including the Arrest Warrant – which the Government wants the UK to remain part of in the national interest.

The word of a greased weasel isn't worth second hand bum paper.

Q. What is the difference between a stoat and a weasel?

A. A weasel is so easily recognised but a stoat is totally different.