Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Cameron was right. Let me try to spell it out in a way that some of the thickos can understand...

The UK opted out of a number of home affairs rules, and are looking to opt back in to the 35 which suit them best. But, before the UK can opt back in, Europe need to unilaterally agree to allow the UK to opt back in. As things stand, Spain is blocking the UK from opting back in, because it is trying to use Gibraltar as a bargaining point.

So, what's the point in having a vote in the commons on something that ain't about to happen yet?

As ever, Fishfinger is trying to make a story out of a non-event to deflect from Labour's own miserable failings, and the Daily Mail readers are throwing their toys out of the pram because Johnny Foreigner's involved.

in that case hilary, he obviously didn't get his point across very well did he!

arguably an even great cock-up that trying to con us all that GO had "saved" uk £850m ..... and what a load of cock that was, and no amount of flannel and spin can disguise the fact

the European Arrest Warrant could be abused , the US arrangement we have is one-sided and seems to be based on very flimsy evidence and petty/false accusations by American citizens, cases such as posted by ExecLine and the attempt to deport the person who hacked into their defense computer's .

The Justice system is different in all the EU country's and in the US , so you could be thrown in jail for months or years before a trial.

The Police have abused the anti terrorism law in this country, for non terrorism reasons.

Hillary let me remind you what you said last night..........

hilary Go to hilary's website View hilary's profile - 10 Nov 2014 19:52 - 49924 of 49962

Fishfinger,

MPs might want the vote tonight, but this is what Cameron actually said last week:

"I am not delaying having a vote on it. There will be a vote on it. We need, in order to have a vote on it, the small matter of a negotiation to take place within Europe, which up to now the Spanish have been blocking. I think the Spanish will shortly remove their block, and at that moment we will be able to have a vote."

NOW HERES WHAT HE ACTUALY SAID..............

goldfinger Send an email to goldfinger View goldfinger's profile - 10 Nov 2014 20:11 - 49929 of 49962 edit this post

Wrong Hilary you are missing the point where he said directly to Ed Milliband that a vote on the EAW would go ahead BEFORE the ROCHESTER by election.

Eyvete Cooper earlier in the debate read out the precise words Camoron used.
goldfinger Send an email to goldfinger View goldfinger's profile - 10 Nov 2014 20:21 - 49930 of 49962 edit this post

Here we are hilary in black and white, Ill wait for an apology thankyou.

The Prime Minister: I am not delaying having a vote on it. There will be a vote on it. We need, in order to have a vote on it, the small matter of a negotiation to take place within Europe, which up to now the Spanish have been blocking. I think the Spanish will shortly remove their block, and at that moment we will be able to have a vote.

Edward Miliband: We all know the reason why the Prime Minister is not having a vote: it is the by-election in Rochester and Strood. He is paralysed by fear of another Back-Bench rebellion on Europe. So I want to make an offer to him. We have a Labour Opposition day next week. We will give him the time for a vote on the European arrest warrant, and we will help him to get it through.

The Prime Minister: There is only one problem with the right hon. Gentleman’s second question: we are going to have a vote, we going to have it before the Rochester by-election—his questions have just collapsed.

http://labourlist.org/2014/11/tories-in-major-split-over-europe-as-may-denies-mps-vote-on-eaw-that-she-and-the-pm-promised/
goldfinger Send an email to goldfinger View goldfinger's profile - 10 Nov 2014 20:23 - 49931 of 49962 edit this post

Should have gone to spec savers my dear, its as plain as the nose on your face what he said.........

The Prime Minister: There is only one problem with the right hon. Gentleman’s second question: we are going to have a vote, we going to have it before the Rochester by-election—his questions have just collapsed.

WE ARE GOING TO HAVE IT BEFORE THE ROCHESTER BY ELECTION.

I rest my case, toodle pip.

There was a debate and a vote on the EAW. It was last night. There was an opportunity to discuss it, but people moaned about the procedure instead. The EAW was bundled with other measures and the vote was for all of them together. Almost no one bothered to comment on the EAW itself. It looks like a neat bit of footwork. Labour is now going to have a debate on it next week in an opposition day debate.

Just before the Rochester doom election for Cameron.


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Hays it was the Tory Back Benches you fool.

Its no good you and Hilary coming on here trying to defend Camoron hes been caught out on the extra payment and hes been caught out on the EAW, its as simple as that and you can dress it up like you want but people and Tories themselves can see through it.

Cameron's achievements to date:

A CABINET MEETING AT NO 10

Geri Halliwell Is ENGAGED To Christian Horner of Red Bull! Announced in the Times today.

But here is the tory success story for you in pictures.

There must be some winners in the mess.

A few practical observations on the EAW


http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/nov/10/eurosceptics-think-european-arrest-warrant-rotten

Germany can deny benefits to jobless EU migrants, court rules

Landmark ruling by European court of justice could threaten UK campaign for freedom of movement reforms



Philip Oltermann in Berlin


The Guardian, Tuesday 11 November 2014 11.09 GMT


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/11/germany-deny-benefits-welfare-jobless-eu-migrants


The European court of justice (ECJ) has ruled that Germany can refuse welfare benefits to EU migrants if they have never held a job in the country.

In a landmark ruling, the Luxembourg court announced on Tuesday that “economically inactive” migrants from other EU nations can be refused German unemployment benefits under certain conditions.

The case was prompted after Elisabeta Dano, a 25-year-old Romanian woman living in Leipzig, had her application for benefits refused. The local jobcentre argued that there was a lack of evidence to prove that the woman, who has lived in Germany since 2010, had ever actively looked for work.

After an appeal was rejected by a Leipzig social court, the case was transferred to the ECJ.

In its ruling, the ECJ emphasised that while EU migrants had the right of residence in another EU country for up to three months, the country is under no obligation to pay social benefits during that period. If migrants stay for more than three months but less than three years, right of residence is dependent on whether they have sufficient resources to support themselves or their family members.

The eagerly anticipated ruling could be interpreted as a victory, or a blow, for David Cameron. It is a victory in the sense that it supports the British government’s drive to curb benefit abuse by EU migrants. The British, Danish and Irish had voiced strong support for the German position in the dispute.

But it is also a defeat in the sense that the ruling means that these curbs can be achieved within the existing rules. Had the ruling gone the other way, it would have probably triggered a debate about reforming freedom of movement in Germany. Now, British calls for an overhaul of the existing systems are less likely to be heard.

The ruling was welcomed in British pro-European circles. The Liberal Democrat MEP Catherine Bearder said: “Today’s ruling shows that while EU free movement is non-negotiable, it is not an unfettered right. Liberal Democrats are clear that the freedom to live, work and study across the continent should not mean the freedom to claim. Safeguards can and should be put in place to prevent benefit tourism and abuse of the system.”

I think the German ruling is good for Cameron. It shows that the rules are not set in stone and can be altered and interpreted.

The ruling is virtually what the Conservatives have been planning recently.

H.

Please, restart your tablets!

Cameron's only interest is to save his own backside!

Germany can deny benefits to jobless EU migrants, court rules
Landmark ruling by European court of justice could threaten UK campaign for freedom of movement reforms


surely this is one of the major things that uk has been fighting about, so how it could be seen as "threatening UK campaign for freedom of movement reforms" is beyond me ...... at a stroke it removes one of the major gripes about unemployed migrants coming to uk

What was being covered up in during the Thatcher period of the 1980s?

Why?

By Whom?

Where did the records go?