but you really do need to stop believing in silly fairy stories...

http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=2333851729824000613

maestro how is your stock picking going? lol

Not at all, Maestro. No offence taken. Very interesting. In fact re: the follow-up quote of: "I am whole, perfect, strong, powerful, loving, harmonious and happy", might I suggest you read: Chapter 9 of 'The Master Key' by Charles F. Haanel? It is actually taken from his Book.

Just out of curiosity, do you know what all this means?

Sun is starting to shine... Every engin should be checked to improve performance.

Nice video, well the music anyway. I take pics when travelling and someone always gets in the way too. Who was this bloke that kept getting in the way of the sun pictures? Was there supposed to be any meaning to the story?

BASICALLY alot of the bible stories you were told at school are to do with pagan sun worship..thats why we have christmas around the 21st december winter solstice...christians were never very clever at getting things right

SUN hasn't come up yet. Flights are grounded etc which is not good at this time of the year. Sun should start to shine and make us warm in 2007.

A more subtle question ...

Are believers in atheism feel offended or encouraged by materials challenging or supporting their belief?

who cares - relegion causes war and friction within and around community's that would otheriwse be peaceful.
in the last five years thousands of people have died in London, Madrid and NY because of relegion. Not to mention the crusades of 100's years ago!

It's time to let relegion go - it was a good basis for medieval socieites but no longer serves a purpose.

Guardian front page from yesterday (Sat 23rd)...

"Religion does more harm than good - poll.
82% say faith causes tension in country where two thrids are not religious"

How about those, from many different religions, who practice and worship the religion of G.O.D. (Gold Oil Dollar)?

Come on chaps back on track.
Looks like the boys from Leeds running surgical are looking up.
Or is it a flash in the pan?
We shall see - happy Christmas to all holders!!!

I should celebrate holding SUn for seven years

Religion doesn't cause war, people cause war with thoughts and ideas. Like the Natzi's whos thoughts and ideas were imposed upon others. Some may say this is through religion but everyone understands and perceives religion differently.

i really feel for humanity because they have been had, big time

The invented character of Jesus was a Sun god, symbolic of Gods Sun... The Light of the World. This very phrase, Light of the World, was used by the Aryan-Phoenicians to symbolise the one true god thousands of years before the alleged birth of Abraham, the quite wrongly named creator of the one-god concept. They also symbolised the one true god, the Sun, with the one true cross The Christians portray Jesus with a halo around his head and thats exactly how the Phoenicians depicted the rays of the Sun around the head of their Sun god, Bel or Bil. This can be seen on a Phoenician stone dating to about the 4th centurv BC . The Sun was at the heart of the Egyptian religion and at noon when the Sun was at the peak of its daily journey

To understand the true background to the religions, we need to appreciate the basis of all ancient religion going back to the Phoenicians, the Babylonians and beyond. It was the Sun. The hierarchy focused on the Sun because, as I outlined earlier, they understood its true power as an amazing generator of electromagnetic energy which is affecting our lives and behaviour every second of every day The Sun contains 99% of the mass of this solar system. Just think about that. The Sun is the solar system and when it changes, we change. Understanding these Sun cycles, and the changing nature of the energy it projects, allows you to anticipate how human beings are most likely to react to various events at different times. As with the texts that form the basis of the various religions, there are two levels of knowledge in Sun worship. In the ancient world, the hierarchy focused on the Sun because they knew its effect at a deep level, while the masses worshipped the Sun because its heat and light had an obvious and crucial role in ensuring an abundant harvest. In the same way, an initiate of the esoteric knowledge will read the Bible differently to a Christian or Jewish believer.

The initiate will recognise the symbolism, the numerology and the esoteric codes, while the believer takes the text literally So the same text acts as a means of passing on esoteric knowledge to the initiated and creates a prison-religion for the masses who are not initiated. Great scam.
The ancients took them circle of the zodiac (a Greek word meaning animal circle) and inserted a cross to mark the four seasons. At the centre of the cross, they placed the Sun. So many of the pre- Christian deities were said to have been born on December 25th because of this symbolism. On December 2lst-22nd, you have the winter solstice when, in the northern hemisphere, the Sun is at the lowest point of its power in the annual cycle. The Sun, the ancients said, had symbolically died. By December 25th, the Sun had demonstrably begun its symbolic journey back to the summer and the peak of its power.

The ancients, therefore, said that the Sun was born on December 25th. The Christian Christmas is merely a renamed Pagan festival, as indeed are all Christian festivals. Easter is another.

About March 25th, the old fixed date for Easter, the Sun enters the astrological sign of Aries the ram or the lamb. At this time the ancients used to sacrifice lambs because they believed this would appease the gods, most notably the Sun god, and ensure abundant harvests. In other words they believed that the blood of the lamb would mean that their sins would be forgiven.

Did Jesus actually exist? Did Moses, Solomon and King David exist? I would say categorically no. There is no credible evidence for the existence of any of them outside the biblical texts and they are certainly not credible. So where did they come from?

OK, a little quiz. Who am I talking about?

He was born to a virgin by immaculate conception through the intervention of a holy spirit. This fulfilled an ancient prophecy.
When he was born the ruling tyrant wanted to kill him. His parents had to flee to safety.
All male children under the age of two were slain by the ruler as he sought to kill the child. Angels and shepherds were at his birth and he was
given gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh.
He was worshipped as the saviour of men and led a moral and humble life. He performed miracles which included healing the sick, giving sight to the blind, casting out devils and raising the dead.
He was put to death on the cross between two thieves.
He descended to hell and rose from the dead to ascend back to heaven.

Sounds exactly like Jesus doesnt it? But its not. That is how they described the Eastern saviour god known as Virishna 1,200 years before Jesus is claimed to have been born.
If you want a saviour god who died so our sins could be forgiven, take your pick from the ancient world because there are a stream of them, all originating with the Aryan race that came out of the Near East and the Caucasus Mountains

Christianity is a Pagan sun religion, the worship of which is condemned by Christianity! It is also an astrology religion, theevil of which is condemned by Christianity, not least by the Pope! Beam me up Scotty,its mad down here. The church hierarchy, of course, know all this. They just dont want you to know.

Horus was the the son of God in Egypt. He was derived from the Babylonian Tammuz and, in turn, provided another blueprint for the later Jesus. [b]The connections are devastating for the credibility of the Christian Church:

Jesus was the Light of the World. Horus was the Light of the World.
Jesus said he was the way, the truth and the life. Horus said he was the truth, the life.

Jesus was born in Bethlehem, the house of bread. Horus was born in Annu, the place of bread.

Jesus was the Good Shepherd. Horus was the Good Shepherd.
Seven fishers board a boat with Jesus. Seven people board a boat with Horus.
Jesus was the lamb. Horus was the lamb.
Jesus is identified with a cross. Horus is identified with a cross.
Jesus was baptised at 30. Horus was baptised at 30.
Jesus was the child of a virgin, Mary. Horus was the child of a virgin, Isis. The birth of Jesus was marked by a star. The birth of Horus was marked by a star.
Jesus was the child teacher in the temple. Horus was the child teacher in the temple.
Jesus had 12 disciples. Horus had 12 followers.
Jesus was the Morning Star. Horus was the Morning Star.
Jesus was the Christ. Horus was the Krst. Jesus was tempted on mountain by Satan. Horus was tempted on a mountain by Set.
Jesus is said to be the judge of the dead.

He has some competition there. This was also said of the earlier Nimrod, Khrishna, Buddha, Ormuzd, Osiris, Aeacus and others.
Jesus is the Alpha and Omega, the first and the last. So was Khrishna, Buddha, Laokiun, Bacchus, Zeus and others. Jesus is claimed to have performed miracles such as healing the sick and raising people from the dead. So did Khrishna, Buddha, Zoroaster, Bochia, Horus, Osiris, Serapis, Marduk, Bacchus, Hermes and others. Jesus was born of royal blood. So was Buddha, Rama, Fo-hi, Horus, Hercules, Bacchus, Perseus and others. Jesus was born to a virgin. So was Khrishna, Buddha, Lao-kiun or tsze,
Confusius, Horus, Ra, Zoroaster, Prometheus, Perseus, Apollo, Mercury, Baldur, Quetzalcoatl and far too many others to mention. Jesus will, we are told, be born again.

The sky is going to be rather crowded because Khrishna, Vishnu, Buddha,
Quetzalcoatl and others, will also be there.

The invented character of Jesus was a Sun god, symbolic of Gods Sun... The Light of the World. This very phrase, Light of the World, was used by the Aryan-Phoenicians to symbolise the one true god thousands of years before the alleged birth of Abraham, the quite wrongly named creator of the one-god concept. They also symbolised the one true god, the Sun, with the one true cross The Christians portray Jesus with a halo around his head and thats exactly how the Phoenicians depicted the rays of the Sun around the head of their Sun god, Bel or Bil. This can be seen on a Phoenician stone dating to about the 4th centurv BC . The Sun was at the heart of the Egyptian religion and at noon when the Sun was at the peak of its daily journey

The crucifixion of Jesus was an allegory, a symbolic event written to carry a hidden meaning. It did not physically happen, you are just meant to think it did. And what of the physical resurrection from the dead by Jesus?
St Paul is quoted as saying of this event in his first letter to the Corinthians:

But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. Corinthians 15:13-16

He says that if Jesus was not physically raised from the dead, there is no basis to the Christian faith and religion. If thats the case, Christianity is in serious trouble.

- The biggest secret

10p can be the first stop imo

Maestro - interesting. Don't know if you saw it but Stephen Fry was talking about the same stuff on QI last week.

Well done maestro - great stuff.