Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

stupid boy pike!

By Dan Hodges

1:54PM GMT 13 Nov 2014

There was a time when the definition of madness was perceived to be doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. No longer. The new definition of madness is turning up to Senate House at the University of London in the expectation that Ed Miliband might say something, anything, to transform his political fortunes.


At the weekend Labour MP Simon Danczuk – one of those rebels who isn’t a rebel – said bluntly “the solution is not more Ed”. This morning that’s precisely what we got. More Ed. Old Ed. The Same Ed.


Ed Miliband thinks there is a deep divide in Britain between the rich and the poor. Ed Miliband thinks the nation’s problems cry out for big solutions, not small solutions. Ed Miliband believes David Cameron stands up for “a privileged few”.


Who knew? Not the voters, clearly. Yesterday Miliband finally crossed the Rubicon. His approval ratings are now officially the worse for any leader of any major British political party since records began. And, according to him and his aides, this is because the British public have been labouring under the misapprehension that the only reason he wants to be Prime Minister is so he can get his picture on the wall of Downing Street.


“Above all, you need belief in what are you doing” he said “Not belief based on longing to have a picture on the wall in Downing Street”. Well that's that one sorted then.

Another problem has been that the British people don’t know what Ed Miliband stands for. “So let me take the opportunity today to spell it out in the simplest terms”, he announced sombrely. “It is what I stood for when I won the leadership of this party. And it is what I stand for today. This country is too unequal.” In an instant, the millions of worried electors who had been labouring under the misconception Ed Miliband believed in gross inequality had their doubts assuaged.

“Just why does Ed Miliband want to be PM?”, people have asked ever since he defeated his brother for the Labour leadership. “It is about all those people who feel there is something just not right about the values of a country when they see Chief Executives get a 21% pay rise last year, as everyone else’s wages have fallen. These are symptoms of deeply unequal, deeply unfair, deeply unjust country. That’s why I want to be Prime Minister,” he said. Across the land you could almost hear the sighs of relief. “That’s why Ed Miliband wants to be Prime Minister. He doesn’t like rich Chief Executives “. And in an instant, four years of suspicion and antipathy rolled away.

In many ways, it was brave speech. People had been telling Ed Miliband he needed to unveil a radical new message today to turn around perceptions his leadership was slowly dying on its feet. He was having none of it.

Ed is the problem. So Ed must also be the solution. Mustn’t he?

The Telegraph

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g f . some good news for you myself and my family and all at the club were we met yesterday have made our decision to vote LABOUR our decision is based on our life long party have fiddled the books destroyed the middle classes to pay the rich
their next disgusting act is to take away the pensioners bus pass and heating allowance . they want to kill off the old pensioners to cut the debt
Cameron and is side kick are just bloody liars and filling their own pockets and not interested in the uk

ed you have at least 63 more votes which the cons had

DB4,,

Have look at the odds on the next tory PM.


About 4-1.


Fortunately, it is on BORIS.

well MrT, that means you'll also be stuck in EU with no escape whatsoever

personally, i see no reason why adequately heeled pensioners should have a winter fuel allowance
for sure you get it, but other than the fact that it is currently given by right, do you see a good reason why you should benefit ....

or a free bus pass for that matter?
i know i can't travel cheaply on the tube, let alone for free as am not a london resident
i'm not sure if i would be allowed to use my local bus pass (i have never applied for one actually) in london, but i suspect not

Alan Sugar has long been a critic of elderly benefits given by right over what is required. I think these rights should be means tested before issued. Having said that it may well be the case that a means test would cost more than the benefit anyway! Maybe the elderly should have to claim for the benefit, that way what's not claimed can be put towards keeping low-life immigrants in the lifestyle they have become accustomed to since arriving in our country!!

it can just be taxed as a benefit as many other things are

I think pensions are wasted on so many who are going to die so soon after claiming them.

They should work to 74 if they haven't been able to save any money while they were working.

And the bloody NHS is just slowing down a natural process. Building in inefficiency in to the natural flow of a system.

And those bloody ambulances, blocking up the road when I want to go down the pub.

And the police service never do as they are asked move the b. on who is blocking my route.

Education what the hell is that all about, go back to long term apprenticeships and the F, money the slobs get paid for manual work is appalling.

No wonder the country's in the state it is and I can't make tax free buck in the market.

And so on.

Forgot, what was wrong with the b. workhouses?

Only the lazy and stupid would allow themselves to get in there.

There must be room in them for Tinker and Hazyone.

Perhaps the same bunk beds!

Here here -):

cynic . over 4 million got food poisoning last year from eating in restaurants and take away meals . bbc news this morning yes over 4 million

as for pensioners bus passes most pensions have paid their taxes all their lives and now unable to drive . why should the scum immigrants come to the uk and get anything 96% pay no taxes but claim housing benefit use our hospitals doctors dentists and pay fcuk all in .
all immigrants if they have no insurance should be allowed to suffer or go back to their own country instead of begging here .
we do not need scum to clean cars and pay no tax .no insurance no services
what do you call a rich pensioner most I know get less than 20k a year before tax
£346 aweek take away heating c/t water food insurances for house heating repairs dentist they do not have much left . the ones that never worked live in rented house
£165 a week free c/t £30 a week free dentist free then they get around a family of two children over 215 a week why both working better off staying at home

fred very good my vie is even better empty our prisons give them a tablet to take if they want to end their sad lives then deport the immigrants in our prisons
get the planes ready and if they have no pass port drop them in the sea off Syria

I am always amazed that anyone votes for Labour. They never actually help the poor and disadvantaged. They talk about it a lot, but are too incompetent to achieve anything. Now when you come to Labour and Miliband together, it is surprising that there are people want such a toxic combination.

Hi TANKER whats up bud?

Well done TANKER tell your crowd they have done the right thing as this present Tory lot arent MPs but are nothing less than mobsters who will stop at nothing to get there way and will lie all the way to the bank with mine and your money.

The sooner we get proper tories back who show compassion and look after the old and disabled the better.

Good on you and the boys.

Haystack,

I think the people who vote Labour are mostly northerners.

I'm told they talk funny and live the other wrong side of Hendon apparently. Wherever that might be.

Hays yawn again, how on earth would a posh boy like you know how labour treats the poor and disadvantaged.

For a kick off these Tory mobsters have all but dam it closed down LA agencys that helped the poor and disabled.

What about Library's and Public parks aswel.

What about grants to charities what about legal aid.

Your NASTY lot have taken it all away so you can cut Bankers taxes, YES the people who Bankrupt this country ......no one else.

Britain's broken business model

How is Britain to pay its way in the world? Carry on as we are, and we won’t




We need more factories, George, and fewer shopping centres, if we are going to balance the books Photo: Getty Images



By Douglas Carswell

2:22PM GMT 13 Nov 2014

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11228907/Britains-broken-business-model.html


It's 30 years since the UK government last ran a balanced budget. Since then our governments have piled borrowing upon borrowing. Public debt has doubled over the past four years, with the Coalition incurring a further £100 billion this year alone.


Britain today is better at buying things that other countries produce than at producing things others want to buy. Our balance of payments data – the difference between what we import and export – looks dire. Selling off London real estate to balance the books won’t work forever.


We need to change Britain’s business model. Hosing cheap credit at the economy might create growth. But it is growth based on over consumption and debt. It means we build lots of shopping malls but not enough factories.


UK plc’s business model today depends heavily on importing cheap labour. So much so, in fact, that per capita GDP has been falling.


This cheap credit / cheap labour model is subsidised by the state. Government not only conjures up cheap credit for the banks, they use the tax credit system to publicly subsidise low wages. The government is borrowing billions in order to help big corporate interests keep wages down.


This is not free market capitalism, but crony corporatism. If we are to maintain our living standards in the years ahead, things need to change. The massive pull of capital and productive output to Asia and elsewhere could be an opportunity for us. It means tens of millions of middle class consumers willing to buy things from us.

Instead of a crony corporatist energy market, we need to allow capital and innovation to cut the cost of energy, as has happened in North America. We need real bank reform and a government willing to take on the vested corporatist interests holding Britain back. Rather than remain inside the world’s only shrinking trade block, we need free trade deals with the world.

Our future prosperity depends on it.

Dear John Bercow – YOU can have #IDS Indicted 13/11/2014

Thanks to Jayne Linney for putting this on her blog, where Vox Political found it:

Dear John Bercow,

I was incredibly naive when I started campaigning for the rights of people with long term health conditions and disabilities.
I believed passionately in democracy and that here in the UK, we had one of the best political systems in the world.
I had always believed there were strict rules governing MPs and that they were held to account by customs and conventions that had served us for centuries. Sadly, that naivety is long gone.
Over the last 4 years, I’ve learnt that democracy is merely an illusion. I’ve learnt that a politician can do or say virtually anything he or she likes and no-one will do anything about it at all.
In the case of Iain Duncan-Smith, we have seen the results of a failure to govern the governors as never before. He has lied – not “misled” or “misdirected” – to parliament repeatedly. He has lied about who is affected by his “reforms”. He has lied about who is protected from them. He has lied about how much they have saved the treasury and he has lied about their efficacy. He has lied about the level of support for his changes and lied about the timescales of their delivery.
The results of his lies are clear for all to see. Vulnerable people he promised to support go hungry or are left without care or security. Nearly a million people have been driven to foodbanks. Homelessness has risen, the benefits bill has risen and the housing bill has risen. Sanctions have soared – over 500% in the case of those too unwell to work – and a fiscal black hole of billions is becoming apparent at the treasury as every one of his major schemes grinds to a halt. Universal credit, Employment and Support Allowance, Personal Independence payments, all have failed, leaving millions stuck in limbo.
Yet still Mr Duncan-Smith lies and still his lies go unchallenged.
This petition https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/investigate-ids-for-lies calls on parliament to investigate those lies and hold a full and transparent enquiry into his conduct. He has even repeatedly bullied the media not to hold him to account, can he bully you too? Is there no-one prepared to challenge this man and stop his inhumanity?
Campaigners will never rest until the scale of this man’s failures are clearly exposed to the public. Until his dishonesty is fully revealed. He will not be reshuffled or sent quietly away to “spend more time with his family”. No matter how long it takes, Iain Duncan-Smith will be shown as the cruel bully he is.
You could choose to make sure that happens sooner rather than later, before more thousands of lives are ruined by his incompetence and lies. You have the power to restore at least some of the democracy we have lost. But make no mistake, now or in the future, it will happen. I and many like me will make sure of it.
Readers can sign the petition here https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/investigate-ids-for-lies
This letter is from the indomitable Sue Marsh , in support of the #TRUTH Campaign; Thanks Sue :-) xx
DON’T FORGET TO SIGN THE PETITION!