Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

I think hes frightened just how far unemployment will drop if we go into a recession plus hes using his political cap, having said that I think we may have a few months left yet of the bull.

Shortie.

Cameron and cohort Obsolete have only just found out that the world's economy effects the UK's economy. Perhaps, after what they have been on, the only colour that they can see is the red signs of the debt they are creating.

Debt, debt who mentioned debt.........



Weve never had it so good.

Well I think its nice for our to PM to finally be able to appear on TV and not look a complete twat, showing up the country! Finally he's learnt to leave Europe alone and UKIP, no ones really listening anyway, least of all the Europeans.... Cameron needs to understand that he should be siding with his own country if he wants support... A good first base might be if he appeared on Jackanory to see if he can hold any audiences attention!

LOL.

Worth a read if you haven't already..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/11224868/Lies-damn-lies-and-David-Camerons-EU-policy.html

I think the barricades should go up again at all our ports.

Fortress England is what we need.

Captain Winston Cameron will defend the beaches once again against the bloody swine.

We don't need Europe because the Americans are coming and they will bail us out, especially the crap Captain Marvel spouts.

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Mind told he is packing for the Cayman Isles and shipping suitcases out there. Tell Michael that he is coming, but don't tell Ken Dodd, or he may want to pack his case and go with him.

I suppose they could take some of the Diddy Men from No 10 with them!

That's a piece which was published five days ago Shortie!

Fred, have you been on the wine already?!

Don't need.

Drinking fermenting green tea.

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Tell you what I am pondering is the effect of EU QE will be on UK.

The market is said to be jumping for joy!


umumum

fred - shame on you ..... effect and affect :-)

Tories go nuclear..




A Reckless vote will make your home worth less, Tories tell Rochester voters

Conservatives fighting Rochester and Strood byelection use fear of house price fall in bid to stop Ukip candidate Mark Reckless



Rowena Mason, political correspondent


The Guardian, Monday 17 November 2014 16.45 GMT



Kelly Tolhurst, Tory candidate in Rochester and Strood, at a debate with her Ukip rival Mark Reckless and Paul Francis, a local journalist. Photograph: Gareth Fuller/PA



The Conservative byelection candidate in Rochester and Strood has suggested some voters are worried that having a Ukip MP as their local representative could lead to a drop in house prices.

Kelly Tolhurst, the 36-year-old businesswoman fighting for the Tories, said she had won the support of many people who were not keen on the idea of a Ukip MP representing the Medway towns.

She mentioned the concern as something that voters had raised but other Conservatives are making the argument about falling house prices more explicitly as they enter the final four days of their campaign against Mark Reckless, the Ukip candidate and former Tory MP.

One Conservative MP campaigning on the high street with colleagues said: “The danger is if you vote Ukip the value of your house may go down.”

Asked if voters had actually raised this concern with her, Tolhurst said: “I have actually heard a few people say that to me but I’m not getting into that.




More desperation here: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/17/reckless-vote-will-make-your-home-worth-less-tories-tell-rochester-voters

Talking of splits in UKIP!

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/oct/10/hiv-migrants-douglas-carswell-ukip-nigel-farage-support

Divisions between Nigel Farage and Douglas Carswell reinforced in Clacton

Wide-ranging policy and cultural differences between Nigel Farage and Douglas Carswell, which are likely to dog Ukip before the general election, were highlighted as the leaders of the insurgent political force embarked on a chaotic walkabout through Clacton-on-Sea.

Ukip’s first elected MP, who characterised himself as the modern embodiment of radical Gladstonian liberalism, set himself at odds with Farage when he declined to offer a specific endorsement of his call for a ban on migrants with HIV from entering the UK.

Carswell, whose father, Wilson, was one of the first doctors to identify HIV/Aids in Uganda in the 1980s, also made it clear that he was not at ease with the declaration by Farage that he felt uncomfortable when he could not hear English being spoken on a commuter train. “I have no difficulty with Britain as Britain is today,” Carswell said after their mid-morning walkabout.

Carswell and Farage, some of whose allies describe their new MP as “tricky”, put on a show of unity when the Ukip leader swept into the centre of Clacton in his black Range Rover, accompanied by his posse of security guards, for a brief walkabout.

As they tried to make their way through a wall of television cameras and journalists, Farage hailed the election of Carswell as “remarkable” and spoke of how they would continue their joint campaigning in Rochester and Strood before the next byelection.

But the differences were quickly on display as Carswell shifted awkwardly when questions turned to Farage’s call, in an interview with Newsweek Europe, for a ban on immigrants with HIV. In his morning LBC phone-in, the Ukip leader extended the proposed ban to include anyone with a serious medical condition such as tuberculosis, though he later said that people with private medical insurance would be exempted.

Carswell said that Farage’s position had been “mischaracterised” by the Guardian, which reported the Newsweek interview overnight, but he declined to say whether he supported the specific proposal for a ban on people with HIV. Asked whether he was upset by Farage’s remarks given his father’s role in helping to discover Aids, Carswell said: “We need an Australian-type immigration system with control over our borders. I don’t recognise the Guardian’s characterisation of the debate … I agree with everything that Nigel has said and we need an Australian-type immigration system.”

All migrants to Australia have to pass a full medical test. If evidence is found that they are suffering from tuberculosis they are banned from settling in Australia until they have been treated. An automatic ban is not imposed on those who test positive for HIV, though an assessment is made about the likely impact of the costs of treating the person.

Carswell also used his walkabout to quash speculation that he might use his position as Ukip’s first elected MP to manoeuvre for its leadership. Asked if his presence at Westminster means Ukip now has two leaders, Carswell said: “I never will be the leader of Ukip. I don’t have the qualities, including the endless reservoirs of patience, that are required to do that. If I was ever to be the leader of the party it would be bad for me, bad for my family and disastrous for the party.”

But the Farage team is wary of Carswell, who has made clear he will have no truck with Ukip traditionalists hoping to hark back to 1950s Britain.

In an interview with the Guardian and a collection of other newspapers at his campaign office, Carswell instead placed himself in the tradition of the great Victorian Liberal prime minister William Gladstone rather than the Tory Benjamin Disraeli.

Standing next to a photograph of Gladstone, he said: “The radical Liberals were pretty successful … The old Tory elite kind of lost out to those radical reformers, thankfully, which is why we became a successful country. The tragedy of course is we ended up listening to Disraeli rather than Gladstone and the Tory elite rejected Irish Home Rule and we had a century of conflict and tears in our relationship with Ireland.”

In a swipe at traditionalists in his old party – and Ukip members tempted to look to the past – he said he emphatically rejected the reactionary politics of the Tea party. As he hailed the centre left thinker Sunder Katwala for understanding the rupture between voters and their political masters, he said: “If I had remained a member of the Conservative party I would have remained an increasingly grumpy group of people who in many ways represent a British equivalent of the Tea party. I didn’t want to do that. I’m an optimist by nature. The Tea party is angry. It wants reheated Reaganism. I like things too much to get angry and I was becoming grumpy and cross. As Ghandi said, happiness is when what you say what you do and what you think are in harmony.”

Carswell’s success had led to comparisons with the SDP / Liberal Alliance which swept to a series of byelection successes in the early 1980s. But he said that the Gang of Four was an elitist movement, in contrast to Ukip.

He said: “We mustn’t use the sort of language that the Gang of Four used. They were a movement of the elite. These were members of the governing elite who were fearful that Militant would deselect them in their seats which is why they, in most cases, went and joined the SDP. The change that Ukip represents is very different sort of change. It is not a falling out among the elites. It is a change brought by technology.

8 pm channel 4 , Dispatches how the rich get richer

Labour made the rich , richer

Cynic,

I should have hesitated!

Damn!

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But with Germany pondering (correct word) its exports to Russia, Russia's economy being slowed down by sanctions.

Ukraine's, tottering economy, and dangers of the Russians to inflame an artificial civil war and Cameron and G20 ratcheting the discourse.

(Not sure how much Air traffic goes over the Ukraine.)

(But I may ask a Russian if he would move his car to let me out of somewhere, but however much I thought he was wrong to block me in I would tell him to get out of his back garden. I would suggest a drink of vodka, a meal and a chat about my problems.)

Also, if QE does start in Europe with already lower "wages" that might drop initially the cost of unit production.

And with a silly billy shouting that unless he gets his way the UK is out of the EU, I can see many in the EU saying "piss off" and reinstatement of "trading cost", in practice even if illegal.

Some, medium and small companies in Europe don't trade UK, because of the exchange palaver.

Etc/

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The next 12-18 months are going to be "interesting" in politics and economics.

That doesn't even mention the ME and Israel and Asia and ? Africa and the Americas, starting to stir and reject "Western Standards".

Or Japan, China, perhaps Asia going into slow down and reducing imports from UK and rest of the World.

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I have succeeded in depressing myself.

I am not putting anything on the table as far as SBs are concerned for a week or perhaps more. Luckily I may be tied up.

Holding share for long term, but may curse myself later.

the effect of the fermented green tea has clearly affected your brain!

PS.

I hope Farage and cronies are adolescent school boy and will passing through a phase.

SNP, I hope will cool down and now where their nipple is!

Manuel,

I am luckier than you!


I still have a functioning brain.

Ask you wife where you lost yours?

she can't remember either :-)

Does anyone know what Fred's position is?


Is there a precise definition??