Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

it would be totally impossible to tax every single house in the country on an individual basis
it's bad enough at the moment where they are banded
the so-called valuations are fairly random too, but as the money raised is for local use it doesn't make so much difference
however, if it's to go to the exchequer, then true value - and how do you determine that? - is almost impossible to judge, especially on one-off houses

The Daily Mirror is looking more silly every day. They are now the only paper that supports Miliband. This morning even the Guardian was laughing at Miliband over his TV performance las night. The Daily Mirror, steadfastly supported Miliband despite public views to the contrary. The Mirror must take the prize as Comic Paper of the Year.

Don't change the subject H/N.. names dear boy names.

Somethings upset Hays in the last few days..........I wonder what........Surely not ROCHESTER.

Yep come on Hays names.

Where is the necessary army of valuers going to come from. Normally property is revalued over a long period with long gaps between. A Labour tax to help the NHS will need to be implemented quickly or their could be a new government before it is done. There will have to district valuers trained up in large numbers (cost). There will need to be new infrastructure and IT systems to collect part of the council tax for central government (cost). There will be endless tribunals to appeal valuations (cost). There will be means testing for ability to pay tax (cost). There will need to be infrastructure to monitor deferred payment of tax until death and then mechanisms to collect it then (cost).

How much will be left and how long before any money materialises.

An incoming Conservative government will no doubt repeal the legislation. Will they then just write off deferred payments for the majority who will still be alive. It looks like everyone will defer payment, hoping for a change of government.

Names of whom?

Geldof is currently worth about £100m. He was estimated to be worth only £32m two years ago. Nice business in Africa!

Well I for one never knew Geldof was so bloody bent... It struck me as odd that he'd be doing this thing so soon after his daughters death but there you have it I suppose..

Well I wouldnt have believed it but HAYS is already beat and is expecting a LABOUR GOVERNMENT, hes already resigned to having Milliband in at nos 10 and after all the bluster this morning..............

refering to the Mansion tax....

Haystack - 18 Nov 2014 13:29 - 50600 of 50602

An incoming Conservative government will no doubt repeal the legislation. Will they then just write off deferred payments for the majority who will still be alive. It looks like everyone will defer payment, hoping for a change of government.

geldof et al
whatever you may think of geldof personally – I happen not to like the chap for all sorts of reasons, most of them silly – you cannot deny that he has raised the profile of ebola beyond measure

whether or not you think that cause is worthy of support is another matter, and you have the choice of whether or not you wish to donate, and if so, through what channel
personally, I would never give to Oxfam but really ought to have medecins sans frontiers on my charitable causes list, for i think they do an amazing job with little or no recognition in the big wide world

in conclusion, i think the vituperative and very personal attack on Geldof and his efforts is totally unwarranted

Now that in itself is telling, its obviously Rochester that as got to him, but then again hes got the mansion tax all wrong aswel.

Ed Balls says the tax, intended to raise £1.2bn to be spent on the NHS, would be split into four levels. The lowest band would be for homes worth between £2m and £5m and the highest would be homes over £100m. Extra property taxation was also proposed last year by Labour leader Ed Miliband to fund a 10p tax rate. Balls said in an Evening Standard article:
“It cannot be fair that the average person pays 390 times more in council tax, as a percentage of the value of their property, than the billionaire buyer of a £140m penthouse in Hyde Park – who has seen its value rise by around £6m in the past few months alone.”

As an additional sop, Balls says people earning below the higher tax rate (less than £42,000 per year) will be able to defer the charge until they sell the property.

I agree with TANKER , Geldof and Bono are criminals and scumsters in my eyes, Tax evaders/tax avoiders shouldnt be able to run a charity like this, if they are capable of robbing this country of tax they are capable of skimming off the top of any money pile.

I don't think that Geldof raised the profile of Ebola. It was at the top of the agenda of many countries. All he has done is to make it a cause celebre among the public. The money he is raising is a drop in the ocean compared to money from governments. All he has done is to divert money that would be given to charity in thiscountry to his own pet cause. It all looks like publicity for Saint Bob, so he can make even more cash from Africa.

gosh we have some bitter and twisted members on here!

GF - what on earth is wrong or criminal in AVOIDING tax? ......

btw, my legal friends reckon that hmrc is on to a hiding on this ingenious case, and would not be at all surprised to see a quiet settlement reached
anyway, that is hypothesis at the moment, so we shall just have to wait and see

In answer to your question H/S

"Haystack Send an email to Haystack View Haystack's profile - 18 Nov 2014 12:24 - 50570 of 50609"

"Geldof has been complaining that companies don't pay enough tax. Well, it is interesting that Saint Bob has all his companies registered in the tax haven of British Virgin Islands. He also has a collection of businesses that have been set up to profit from activity in Africa. He uses his name to get preferential treatment from the governments there."

Further names of all wealthy off shore tax evader/avoiders please.

tax evasion
not to be remotely confused with avoidance of course ....

but that apart, i was quietly amused to read about juncker being investigated as to his potential role in rubber stamping dubious off-shore bank accounts and arrangements when he was pm of luxembourg

what a lucky chap to be sheltered by the eu mafia, as for sure if he was in uk, the press ferrets would have a field day

By Dan Hodges
12:14PM GMT 18 Nov 2014
Ed Miliband needs to stop treating the public like idiots

Apart from the fact he’s a hypocrite a coward and a fool, Ed Miliband would make a great prime minister. But he is a hypocrite, a coward and a fool. So he won’t.

Last Thursday Labour’s leader treated us to his latest quarterly relaunch. Aside from some paranoid rambling about how a sinister cabal of powerful interests were out to get him, it was the usual incoherent mishmash of liberal idealism, Left-wing populism and state interventionism.

But from amid the rhetorical chaos there emerged one powerful – and seemingly sincere – passage. "I think it is time we levelled with people about Ukip”, he said. “They’ve got away with it for too long. It is time we had a debate about where they really stand. They do have a vision of the past. But I say to working people in this country, let’s really examine their vision. Because when you stop and look at it, it is not really very attractive. And it is rooted in the same failed ideas that have let our country down”. He gave an example of one of those failed ideas. It was the idea that: “You feel safer when you don’t have someone who is foreign living next door”. And he gave the following pledge, “What we will never do is try to out-Ukip Ukip”.

This morning Ed Miliband has tried to out-Ukip Ukip. Or rather, he’s sent out Yvette Cooper to out-Ukip Ukip on his behalf.

At his party’s recent conference in Doncaster, Ukip’s immigration spokesman Steven Woolf unveiled Nigel Farage as the gatekeeper of Fortress Britain. “We are borderless Britain”, he warned. “For too long these hard-working public servants have been put under too much pressure by successive governments. They need our support. So today I am announcing that Ukip’s general election manifesto will include a provision to increase front-line staff and search teams at UK Border entry points by 2,500 officers.”

Today Yvette Cooper claimed Steven Woolf was wrong. It’s Ed Miliband, not Nigel Farage, who will be standing watch on the battlements of Dover castle. “Enforcement has got worse in the last five years. Under Theresa May basic checks are just not being done, and that is undermining confidence in the whole system”, she said. “The number of people stopped and turned away at the border has halved”. As a result Labour would be recruiting “1,000 new border guards”.

Last September Nigel Farage attacked the Government for failing to deal with an immigration crime wave that was being perpetrated by “foreign criminal gangs”. Today Yvette Cooper attacked the government for failing to deal with an immigration crime wave that was being perpetrated by “human traffickers” and “drug smugglers”.

Two weeks ago Nigel Farage visited Calais. What he witnessed there “isn’t just a trade in very real human tragedy and misery, but a clear and present threat to our national security”, he said. Today Yvette Cooper warned that “at Calais there are now serious and growing problems – where we have seen not just abuse but tragedy”.

Not a week goes by without Nigel Farage condemning the “liberal media elite” and their attempts to caricature his views on immigration. Today Yvette Cooper attacked “liberal commentators” who “seem to think talking about immigration at all is a problem and they dismiss people's genuine concerns”.

There is something comically Orwellian about Ed Miliband’s immigration hypocrisy. Last week he said that Labour "will be talking more about immigration as a party. But always on the basis of Labour values, not UKIP values”. He might as well have said, “when I talk about immigration, I do it standing on four legs. When Nigel Farage talks about immigration, he does it standing on two”.

Ukip say they want to turn the country into Fortress Britain. Ed Miliband promises us a British Fortress. Nigel Farage has set his sights on foreign criminals. Ed Miliband pledges a crack down on criminal foreigners. Farage looks at Calais, and sees a tragic threat. Ed Miliband looks across the Channel and spies a threatening tragedy. Nigel Farage rails at liberals in the media. Ed Miliband chastises media liberalism.

There is nothing comical about Miliband’s cowardice, however. Yvette Cooper should know better than to put her name to this rubbish. But at least she does have the guts to put her name to it.

Labour’s leader has a yellow streak down his back a mile wide. We see it on immigration. We see it on welfare. We see it on the economy. A member of the shadow cabinet will be dispatched to deliver the hard messages he dare not deliver himself. They will take the brickbats, whilst he cowers. And then, when the brickbats have finally stopped flying, he will emerge with some self-righteous homily aimed at reassuring his party they still occupy the moral highground.

And this is why Ed Miliband is also a fool. He genuinely thinks people will fall for this charade. He honestly thinks by saying “I won’t out Ukip, Ukip”, he can pop up two days before the Rochester by-election, whack on his Nigel Farage party mask, and people will say “there’s my guy”.

OK, the Labour Party will fall for it. Miliband’s desperate activists will see what they want to see, hear what they want to hear, seize the fatuous talk of “Labour immigration values” and ignore the rest. But the country won’t. The voters aren’t idiots. In the same way they have rejected David Cameron’s “Ukip Lite” in favour of the real thing, so they will reject Miliband’s brand of “Ukip Lite” as well.

The electorate looked from Miliband to Farage, and from Farage to Miliband, and from Miliband to Farage again. And it was still all too easy to say which was which.

The Telegraph

If this thread was Question Time on the BBC , goldfinger , Fred and Stan would get a public vote of 0 with Haystack 5 , cynic 4, Chris 4,and the rest 3 .3/4 apart from TANKER who i can't find a rating for

Quick dig on Geldoff and guys thanks for the insight. Learn something new everyday, I'm amazed if not pissed off he's not being fully exposed right now.

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