for more information about stanelco click on the links.

driver's research page link
http://www.moneyam.com/InvestorsRoom/posts.php?tid=7681#lastread
website link
http://www.stanelco.co.uk/index.htm

Sequestor
If its nice there, why don't you stay on for a bit we will hold the fort.

I'll even pay the hotel !

treikiman , good post. coverage in the ft!!! blimey!! driver, jimmyb, you must be doing well!!! that's a very generous offer!!!

Hi All,

Where is the Stanelco Greenseal news these days ????

Australia - I recieved an e-mail enquiry which I forwarded to HQ

Norway http://www.packnews.no/xp/pub/venstre/emballasje/81507

Belgium http://www.agripress.be/start/artikel/92222/nl



Various Packaging and Food websites ....

http://www.groceryretailonline.com/content/news/article.asp? docid={032ef73b-84e1-4e8b-9bee-18d98079fe77 }

http://www.meatandpoultryonline.com/content/news/article.asp ?docid={032ef73b-84e1-4e8b-9bee-18d98079fe77 }

http://www.foodonline.com/content/news/article.asp?docid={03 2ef73b-84e1-4e8b-9bee-18d98079fe77 }

http://www.packagingnetwork.com/content/news/article.asp?doc id={032ef73b-84e1-4e8b-9bee-18d98079fe77 }

http://www.corrugatedindustry.com/02industrynews.htm 24/5/2005

http://www.packagingdigest.com/cover/recent.php

http://www.foodnavigator.com/news/news-ng.asp?n=60066-stanel co-markets-new

http://www.meatprocess.com/news/ng.asp?id=60074

Headlines under Kroger http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/q?s=kr

http://www.all-packaging.net/directory/food-packaging-suppli er.html 4th news item on the right



Also the Greenseal release was one of Yahoo's 'MOST MAILED ARTICLES' for the USA on 27 May!!!!

http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:RTTHOskm5uEJ:uk.biz.yahoo .com/mostmail/fin/most.html+stanelco+greenseal+USA&hl=en

Most mailed articles
... Stanelco's GREENSEAL Packaging Technology Poised to Revolutionize Food Packaging
Worldwide (Business Wire) - Grocers and retailers accustomed to selling ...
uk.biz.yahoo.com/mostmail/fin/most.html - 9k - 27 May 2005 - Cached - Similar pages



Cheers,

PM

I read enough lies, misinformation, scaremongering, and blatent bashing from this bitter twisted bprg loser over at advfn(they prefer bashers to shareholders).

There is only one option for such a waste of space ....

insiderinside - 28 May'05 - 16:00 - 5066 of 5076 (Filtered)


PM

PM1 - ever noticed is all the same OLD news posted around everywhere - whats next ? Crispy salads and chicken pasta ?

SE0 needs orders - big orders - not more old news and trial updates - who cares about trials now - Asda is confirmed and in effect - trial news means nothing - big 500 orders means everything now.

paulmasterson1 - 29 May'05 - 14:35 - 5077 of 5078

I read enough lies, misinformation, scaremongering, and blatent bashing from this bitter twisted bprg loser over at advfn(they prefer bashers to shareholders).
There is only one option for such a waste of space ....
insiderinside - 28 May'05 - 16:00 - 5066 of 5076 (Filtered)

PM

Paul - it is also not nice to say all those things about people - if people do not agree to your ideas then please ignore - no need to make comments about the people - make comment on the remarks.

The Financial Times writer comment on Stanelco was interesting too -

http://news.ft.com/cms/s/779cc296-cf15-11d9-8cb5-00000e2511c8.html

"So when I read an article about Stanelco's packaging breakthrough about a year ago, I was much more cautious. I trawled the company's website, finding it weak on explanation. Sales prospects for the packing technology seemed distant. With the shares clearly in penny stocks territory at 6p, no prospect of evaluating what profits might be, and only some bulletin board whispers, I shelved any idea of investing.

However, in March this year, it was a different story. The company had secured a trial for the new technology with Asda, recruited the experienced ex-Sainsbury packaging executive Terry Robins as chief operating officer, and was beginning to attract a little analyst coverage. The share price had trebled, but it still seemed far better value at this level than it had been before, with the likelihood of very good newsflow to come from updates on the trial and the prospect of orders. So on March 11 I bought shares at 17.6p. Since then the trial has met the required technical hurdles. Better still, sales at Asda of the newly-packaged product rose 21 per cent. On top of cost savings, and an unexpected extra day's shelf life, that makes a compelling offering. Asda has signed a year-long exclusive contract worth around 5m.

The golden opportunity of eventually getting work at Asda's parent company Wal-Mart has started to excite investors and the shares soared to 30p. All worries about execution risk seem to have been brushed aside. Moreover, given that Stanelco has no chance of being profitable before 2006, and the share price was suddenly 40 times the expected earnings per share for that year, this had suddenly become a very expensive stock.

Once all possible good news is in the price, the most likely move is down. I sold at 29.2p on May 19, having banked a 66 per cent gain in just two months. I will monitor developments, but this is one I intend to sit out until prospects are clearer."

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I would agree there it needs big orders now not talk of salads and trials trials are old news the Asda deal is in effect and the expectation is 1000s of orders to support the SP.

An interesting write up on case ready packing - mentions for the world leaders Cryovac and Multivac - strangely no mention of many other companies - even Reiser who did the trials of SE0 Greenseal that went nowhere are mentioned - everyone seems to say their sealing is good already - do they really need to change and pay big money on conversions and license fees - appears not perhaps - I will keep posting new information as and when I have it - not just regurgitating old news posted on new web sites again and again and again.


Case Ready on the Move

More case-ready red meat is being offered in retail meat casesbut not at the volume proponents once predicted.
Case-ready proponents take heart. Although predictions made a decade or more ago by enthusiastic fans of this technology that most meat cases would be 100-percent case-ready by now hasnt panned out, its progress nonetheless has still been very impressive.
In 2004, the case-ready market was about 2.6 billion packages, reflecting a growth of 19 percent annually since 2001, says Huston Keith, principal of Keymark Associates, a market research and business development firm based in Marietta, GA. I expect it to grow more slowly over the next five years to about 10 to 15 percent annually.
More case-ready products continue to enter the meat case, points out Jerry Kelly, national coordinator, retail task force, for the Cryovac Food Packaging division of Sealed Air Corp.
The most recent research we [participated in], the 2004 National Meat Case Study, indicates an 11-percent point gain in case-ready products in the fresh category, he adds. This includes beef, ground beef, pork, chicken, turkey, lamb, and veal. It went from 49 percent of the packages up to 60 percent [from the 2002 to 2004 study].
The list of retailers and processors leading the case-ready charge is equally impressive. Tyson Foods, Smithfield Foods, and Cargill Meat Solutions are the largest suppliers of case-ready products, Keith says. Other processors such as Swift, American Home Foods, Farmland Foods, and Shapiro have significant programs.
Besides Wal-Mart, the leading retailers offering case-ready meat are Kroger [including King Soopers, Ralphs, etc.], Albertsons, Safeway, Ahold USA, Pathmark, Cub Foods, Tops Markets, Miracle Mart, Loblaws, Wakefern, Super Target, and Ukrops, Keith says.
Case-ready red meat was initially driven by labor shortages, Keith contends.
In many markets, there were simply not enough meat cutters to keep cases stocked, he adds. Then Wal-Mart adopted [case ready] as part of a business model for its Supercenters causing a huge surge in growth. Now the market is being driven by Wal-Mart sales growth and the gradual transition by other retailers. Its possible, even likely, that another retailer will decide to make an accelerated changeover within the next five years, which would give the market a huge boost.
Case-ready pioneer
Following several years of selling case-ready ground beef and poultry at some Supercenters, a March 2000 Wal-Mart news release relayed that the company was expanding its case-ready meat program to 180 Wal-Mart Supercenters and Neighborhood markets in six states. Furthermore, Wal-Mart announced it would begin selling case-ready pork in all Supercenters by the end of 2000.
Since that time, positive customer response resulted in Wal-Mart expanding its case-ready fresh meat product line to all Supercenters and Neighborhood stores.
This technology, introduced by the meat industry, helps streamline distribution and reduce the time it takes for products to move from the manufacturer to the customer, Wal-Mart explains on its Web site. This is consistent with other initiatives in place at Wal-Mart that help us pass additional savings on to our customers. In addition, case-ready meat provides Wal-Mart customers with selections that have enhanced quality control, leak-proof packaging, better overall appearance, and better tracking of product.
Case-ready meat is simply becoming the best way to deliver quality at an everyday low price for our customers, said Lee Scott, president and chief executive officer of Wal-Mart Stores Inc., on March 3, 2000. It offers the straightest line of distribution to ensure the best possible product.
Although Wal-Mart has become the case-ready red-meat benchmark, other meat retailers are also sold on the concept. One smaller niche chain recognized the case ready advantage before Wal-Mart.
Our fresh-meat case is as near to 100-percent case ready as you can get, says Alan Warren, director of meat and seafood for Richmond, VA-based Ukrops Super Markets Inc. The only reason it isnt 100 percent is that we do some special orders so there might be some store-cut products that find their way into the case.
Ukrops made the commitment to case-ready red meat in 1996. Its meat department is open from 7 a.m. to 11 p.m. Monday through Saturday. The chain is closed on Sunday.
The reasons are numerous [for this move to case ready], but the main reason was for consistency of product, Warren says. You have a much better opportunity to have better cutting specifications in one meat room versus 29 meat rooms. Also, it allows us to set our cases up each morning in a hurry. Our goal is to have the cases completely set by 8 a.m. We get daily deliveries from our central cutting facility. Stores get the deliveries early in the morning. Its in their cooler before [employees] get to work.
Brands of case-ready red meat carried by Ukrops include Ukrops Own Beef and Ukrops Own Pork. It also carries case-ready Australian lamb, that is processed at Ukrops central cutting facility. And it also offers Marcho Farms Premium case-ready veal.
Were unique in that we have our own Ukrops Own Beef thanks to a partnership with PM Beef, Warren says. The beef is raised to our specifications, and its got all the bells and whistles full traceability, it is processed verified by the USDA, and all of the beef cattle are raised on small ranches where additional care is taken. Vitamin E is fed to the cattle, which yields a better color. We also have a premium beef program with Certified Angus Beef.
Our pork program is similar to the beef program, he adds. Again, it is process verified, and our partner is Premium Standard Farms.
There are some retail food chains, however, with a case-ready philosophy that is on the other end of the spectrum.
Costco has no fresh meat that is case ready, points out Charlie Winters, vice president of fresh meat operations for Costco Wholesale, Issaquah, WA. Several years ago, another Costco executive explained why its meat department adopted this philosophy.
What has made us so successful is the product were cutting for our members, not pre-packaged goods, said Andy LaRose, regional meat/service deli supervisor, Midwest Region, Oak Brook, IL, in an article honoring Costco as MDRs 2003 Meat Retailer of the Year.
Holiday Quality Foods, Cottonwood, CA, is an upscale niche marketera 23-store chain that serves communities in the northern end of California, up and down the Sacramento Valley and in the surrounding Sierra Nevada Mountain area. The only case-ready red meat it offers are its MAP-packaged Atkins Ranch-brand lamb products.
As an upscale niche marketer] we want to keep meat cutters on duty because one of the biggest things we want to offer our customers is friendly service, says Dave Parrish, meat director, Holiday Quality Foods. And we want to have somebody there who can help shoppers with a selection, who can special cut an order for them or help them with a cooking idea. If were 100 percent case ready, who can do this for our customers?
Supply side
There are many reasons why case-ready products continue to find success at the retail counter, says Kevin J. Lage, case ready brand manager, Cargill Meat Solutions, Wichita, KS.
Competitive strategy, single-order management, food safety, labor shortages, and shrink reduction are just some of the factors that retailers are faced with and find solutions within case-ready to drive bottom line sales increases, Lage says.
Cargill Meat Solutions operates six U.S. plants and two Canadian plants that produce beef, grinds, pork, veal, chicken, value-added, and ready-to-cook case-ready products.
When asked what type or types of case-ready packaging systems his company uses, Lage answers:
The companys patent-pending REDiFresh tri-gas MAP technology
Traditional high-oxygen packaging
Mother bag bead seal tray overwrap
Traditional tray overwrap
Cryovac packaging
Multivac packaging
The two dominant requests from Cargill customers are case-ready solutions that will first drive salesand second, decrease costs, Lage says.
Cargill Meat Solutions finds its competition very singular in their approach and variety of product offerings, like a commodity boxed beef or boxed pork, Lage relays.
Cargill Meat Solutions takes a consumer-focused approach to case-ready solutions, he says. We strongly believe that successful case ready needs to be treated like a sales program offering consumer-centric products coupled with shared score cards and point-of-sale data management services to measure success at the consumer level.
American Foods Group, Green Bay, WI, offers further proof supporting the continuing growth of case-ready red meat.
It is definitely growing, says Mike Zimmerman, director of case-ready operations, American Foods Group. More retailers are understanding the economics and expense of the meat departmentthat is, what it truly costs to produce meat at store level. By knowing and understanding those costs, you can make an intelligent business decision.
American Foods Group offers case-ready beef, pork, lamb, and veal, which includes cuts, grinds, patties, seasoned, tumbled, enhanced, and marinated products. It also produces the same products for many of its foodservice customers. Case-ready systems employed by the company include low-oxygen, high-oxygen, or no-oxygen systems in over-wrap, lid seal, vacuum pac, roll stock, in-the-bag programs, chubs, and boxed. New formats are also being tested.
Knowing the cost of store-produced meat [or at least a fairly close estimate] and the comparison of a true-known cost of goods with case ready allows retailers to put their category business plan together, Zimmerman says.
Without this information, you cannot make an intelligent business decision, he adds. We have seen case-ready programs fail with retailers because the business plan was not put together prior to taking on case ready. Case ready is a valuable business tool. Knowledge is power.
Some retailers told Zimmerman in the past that cutting their own meat was their major point of difference compared to fresh meat offered by the big-box stores.
I have never agreed with that, and others are also changing their stance, he says. The real difference is the people servicing the customer, not who produced the meat in the counter. If you can display a quality case-ready product, does the consumer really know or care who cut it? I dont think so, but what they will remember is now they can talk to Joe the butcher because he now has time to spend with customers. Joe is no longer tied up in the back room cutting or gone by 1 p.m. because he came in at 5 a.m. to cut that meat.
Some retailers do not have a sufficient meat staff to operate a traditional meat department, and some retailers are opening new formats designed not to have meat cutters. Case ready can solve both issues, Zimmerman relays.
American Foods Groups case-ready business is growing due to the way we conduct our business, he adds. We are centered around customer partnering. Typically, we meet with a retailer, discover their needs, and build a program based around those needs. We realize that we both must remain profitable, and that we basically become the retailers meat department. Given that, we realize that we need to create a seamless program that satisfies the retailer, but more importantly the consumer. We are staffed with former retailers who understand how important this is.
When asked what his customers are looking for in case-ready red meat packaging, Zimmerman answers it varies by retailer and their respective needs.
Most traditional retailers want an exact replication of the current back-room look while others want fool-proof packaging, he adds.
How do American Foods Group case-ready products differ from the competition?
Its not about products, Zimmerman responds. Any company can invest in the same equipment and process the meat. Why do you shop at X store versus store Z? If X and Z carry basically the same items and are priced competitively, where do you go? Probably where you are treated well as a consumerand to where you have an enjoyable shopping experience.
Whether it be vacuum packaged or modified atmosphere packaging (MAP), the case-ready meat category continues to grow as consumer acceptance of new-technology packaging and the demand for convenience expand, says Mel Coleman Jr., chairman, Coleman Natural Meats Inc., Golden, CO.
Colemans case-ready meats include a variety of beef cuts, plus an offering of grinds, patties, and hot dogs. Its case-ready lamb selections include butterflied legs and a four-rib rack.
Obstacles to overcome
Keith relays that even as long as 30-years ago and as close as 10-years ago, many in the packaging and meat-packing industries anticipated that most of the meat case would have converted to case ready by now.
This has been a huge disappointment for them, he adds. However, they greatly underestimated the obstacles that retailers would have to overcome. Those retailers who were the leaders in case ready did not always clearly see the benefits, and those who waited were often able to compete successfully with conventional in-store meat packing.
The key problems holding back case ready were a combination of:
Organized labor resistance
Inability to measure labors effect on shrink reductions and sales increases in comparison to higher product costs.
The difficulty of making the transition to the point of economic feasibility
Those retailers that successfully adopted case ready had management that accepted case ready as an article of faith, as a better way to do businessand they stuck it out through the difficult transition, Keith says.
Private-label solutions
Except for Wal-Mart, most case-ready meat is private label, in fact, actually no label, so it looks the same as store-packed meat, Keith relays.
Traditional retailers have long resisted giving up perceived advantages of having better meat than their competitor, he adds. Carrying the same brand as a low-cost competitor like Wal-Mart is even less appealing. Wal-Mart has long competed successfully with national brands, and it is quite happy to [continue that with] meat. The branded part will grow faster as retailers and consumers begin to see the benefits of consistency and improved products.
Private-label case-ready growth continues. Abertsons kicked-off its new Blue Ribbon Beef (Select) program at its Chicago Jewel stores in 2004, says Cryovacs Kelly.
Its in all the Albertsons storesJewel, Acme, Im sure it will be in Shaws, he adds. Then they introduced their Steakhouse Choice Premium Angus Beef program to offer a Choice beef product. Right after that, Safeway, which owns Dominicks in the Chicago area, introduced its Ranchers Reserve Angus Beef throughout the country. These are examples of two major retailers that have introduced their own private-label programs just in the past year.
Blue Ribbon Beef includes a wide range of high-quality roasts and tender-aged steaks that are guaranteed twice for customer satisfaction. The brand is being marketed under the names Albertsons Blue Ribbon at Albertsons stores, Jewel Blue Ribbon at Jewel/Osco stores, and Lancaster Blue Ribbon at Acme stores.
Steakhouse Choice Premium Angus Steaks are aged naturally and guaranteed twice, as well. If not satisfied with their purchase, shoppers will get a refund and they can replace their Steakhouse Choice cut with another free of charge.
Ranchers Reserve Angus Beef includes sirloins, T-bones, and other cuts.
Target now offers Archer Farms private-label meat products, but most of the case-ready red meat growth is coming from branded companies like Tyson, Hormel, Cargill, and Smithfield Foods, says Phil Ryan, Cryovacs senior director of marketing and strategy for case-ready laminates and ready meals.
Case ready packaging
MAP-lidded trays and overwraped trays each account for a little less than half of all case-ready packages, Keith says. The remainder is vacuum packaging, including ground-meat chubs.
The market for case-ready meat is growing at a slow pace, but growing year on year, points out Peter Mellon, president of Canton, MA-based Reiser.
Case-ready technology providers are doing their part to spur category growth. Reiser offers two new pieces of equipment for case-ready packaging. Its Vemag ground-meat portioning system for net weight packs features speeds of up to 100-portions a minute with minimum give-away. And the Ross Inpack S90 high-speed tray-sealing machine produces hermetically sealed packs from pre-formed trays in both high O2 and low O2 formats. The machine can run at speeds of up to 100-packs a minute, and tooling sizes can be changed in approximately 15 minutes for maximum flexibility.
Another case-ready packaging technology leader is Kansas City, MO-based Multivac Inc. We see the market for case ready continuing to grow, says Bob Koch, director of sales, food division, Multivac Inc. Retailers such as Wal-Mart are driving this trend because it increases efficiency and provides consistency to the meat case with attractive packaging.
One of Multivacs recent developments, FormShrink, serves this growing demand by giving processors the ability to shrink-package products, such as chub sausages, beef roasts, hams, and even whole chickens, using an automated rollstock system instead of pouches. Along with FormShrink, Multivac has also introduced a new mid-range traysealer, the Multivac T350.
This system provides the speed and efficiency of an automated traysealer at a price that is affordable to smaller processors, Koch says. With case ready growing the way it is, small and mid-size processors have the opportunity to grow their businesses at a rapid clip provided they have the tools to do so.
One of Cryovacs newest products for case ready is its Lid 1051 printed lid film.
Its a multi-layer barrier shrink film thats adhesively laminated to a biaxially oriented polyprolyleneBOPP, says Cryovacs Ryan. Its features include clarity; package tightness, or shrink; and anti fogthe ability of the package to go through the cycles in the meat case and deal with temperature change and the moisture that changes inside the package and still maintain good clarity.
Cryovacs Darfresh vacuum skin packaging system was introduced in Europe years ago, and it has been emphasized at trade shows in the last two years. Multivac is Cryovacs worldwide equipment partner on Darfresh.
It gives high shelf lifeits a barrier vacuum-skin packageand it also results in excellent product, Ryan says. Its fully dimensional because it wraps itself around the product. The Darfesh format is available either on a semi-rigid bottom or pre-made tray and primarily used for whole-muscle product.
Moving to case ready
Converting to case ready is not an easy process for many retailers. Ryan relays several points made during an economics of case ready presentation by an industry expert at an industry event several years ago.
If youre a meat manager or vice president of perishables at a large chain and youre looking at your profit and loss [P&L], theres a portion of your meat merchandising costs that are fixedyour labor, the space youre consuming in a store, equipment rental or leases, and so forth, he says. To the extent you start replacing product you were fabricating and then merchandising with case-ready productand you maintain the same fixed level of expensesyoure probably not going to have the same degree of profitability you had in the past because youre paying the processor for what you used to do in the back room.
But, several other studies show that case ready allows retailers to better manage their shrink plus have more product to sell at any given time.
Ive heard over the years that guys who have gone to a case-ready grind program from store-produced product, when they look at their leanest grinds90 percent and abovethey say, We never realized how many sales we were missing! adds Cryovacs Kelly. When its case ready and youre putting product in the case as you need it, its amazing how many additional sales youll get.
How much time should retailers give a conversion to case ready to accurately measure results?
The feedback we have from retailers is its not more than a couple of months, Ryan says. Thats assuming theyre able to make adjustments in their cost structure at the fastest pace. The issues they have in launch are orientation to ordering, stocking, and merchandising inventory levels.
A lot depends on how good the store-by-store information is.
Do they know their sales by day, by item? Cryovacs Kelly says. If so and they have good information thats fed back to their stores, the stores can do a better job ordering to match up the case-ready product to what they were formerly producing at the store.
The future
Case ready will continue to grow rapidly, but in-store packaging will still maintain a significant presence for the next five to 10 years, Keith predicts. Case-ready products are poised to continue on an ever-steepening growth curve. Consumers desire consistency, selection, and convenience at a value, says Cargill Meat Solutions Lage.
While there are many ways for retailers to strip costs from their operations, most have a detrimental effect on the consumerwhether it is product consistency, selection, or convenience, he adds. Case ready enables retailers to focus on those backroom products in which they have an identity and are perceived by their customers as the destination for that product or products.
Case ready continues to be driven largely by retailers, says Multivacs Koch. The ability to extend shelf life using MAP is very attractive to them.
For their part, consumers seem to be responding well to the neat, consistent packaging they see with case ready, Koch says. Introductions of new prepared entrs and other convenience foods are likely to continue as well, which will only expand the market for case ready.
As food-safety issues dominate our industry, we believe that more and more retailers will look to major meat packers to centrally pack meat in hermetically sealed packs and send them to the store case ready, adds Reisers Mellon.
http://www.meatanddeliretailer.com/content.php?s=MR/2005/03&p=2

For those who like to bury their head in the sand - if those exist the rumour mill does have it that loads of competition are working on doing the same system for food RF sealing however as they work like real companies and not wanting to show the world their developments and inform competitors how they are doing you will hear nothing officially until the product goes on sale as finished who would inform the world of their developments and trials so that the whole world can read it unless of course there are other reasons for needing the whole world to know about it before you start getting in serious order amounts. An open book whilst developing IMO generates lots of hype and spin I still find it very strange that a company like Stanelco starting feeding news of this project from as early as October last year giving competition already 6 months work on similar products as we already have 6 months gone the potential for competition products to come on line is getting much closer now.

With most of the details emailed and put everywhere by certain people everyone knows what products what material types savings areas temperatures and so much more information on it IMO a development cycle would be greatly reduced thanks to someones incessant posting on it and even a research website to cut down on that.

As its now 6 months I would expect competitors to be running in house trials now and looking to go to secret supplier production trials within 3 months finished product availability to market place may be less than 6 months away. Private companies have no need to say anything in public until marketing of a final product comes on line only Public companies could have a desire or need to let out news as they have shareholders to keep happy.

If my estimates on competition are correct then it goes along with my estimates of only very small order amounts for SE0 products in the coming 6 months as why rush to buy an expensive single supplier solution wait for competition and then prices for kits becomes much lower and is often the case the second one is better than the original and the third one is better than the first two and thats the way competition goes.

Remember those final lines of the RHPS update everything changes if competition comes in well IMO that time is a maximum of just 6 months away.

Share bashing can seriously damage your wealth.

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competition if there is any are 1 year behind SEO.

It occurs to me that there is a common bond that unites the posters to this thread - that SEO is a major means of making money. Dynamite is making lots of money by trading the spread and making sure that she is in before the major jump and out again before the reaction. The chart pattern has been extremely dynamic but clearly predictable to those skilled at reading it. andysmith has invested low and holding until it reaches at least 1. Despite Evil Knievil twice having cold feet and baling out from short positions claiming a profit, his acolytes will certainly have lost. Then we have our resident bear, the one who gives most others a sore head.

Having thought it through and read everything I can get my hands on, I don't believe the current forecasts - they are either too pessimistic or too optimistic. Its really a question of the classic economic s-curve. This is something that comments about disappointing early orders conveniently forget. The initial gradient reflects early entrants into the market, prepared to take a risk for competitive advantage. The s-bend leads to a steeper gradient as the product is taken by all those who fear competitive disadvantage. If we stay at the initial gradient then the sp and current cap. are far too high. But, assuming the curve reaches the second gradient, the order volume used for the projections is far too low as that slope only eases off as market saturation hoves into view. A return to 6p- or a run to 1+ reflect the two options.

Based on the UK market, the ASDA contract represents the first gradient, say 200 orders in the year of exclusivity; then the increase in volume as the pent up demand from other supermarkets is met in year two. In my view, the US market will bring forward the gradient increase based on the positive trials with ASDA suppliers. The contracts with Premier and Advanced give the support to enable the market demand to be satisfied. The prospective gradient should be known in weeks rather than months. evolution and others will respond with upgraded forecasts and the sp will run out of reach. This is an argument, not only against the bear-position, but those who believe they can watch for the buying opportunity from the sidelines.

Happy to clarify or justify this position.

Eric

ii, thank you for your posts. feels good for next week now.

I would like to thank eric for his post, that also feels good for next week.

bos
Fiver in the bin.

What is it about insider!. He expects us to give him credibility, but his rants give me, and i suspect many others the impression that either SEO have passed on to him some form of incurable illness, and he simply hates them, or that he is simply trying to influence the price to his own ends. I recall his prophecy of doom when the price was around 19p. At circa 27p he is still thumping the end of the world drum. How can he expect to be taken seriously when he only has one view which is very subjective. I am not an expert, but common sense tells me that this company has huge potential. It has a risk like all companies, but the potential gains far outweigh the risks.

keith thomas
Fiver in the bin.

1910
Where are you, I can't sit here all day keeping count I have been to work you know.

keith thomas,

I agree with you there :)

he/she/it has been bashing Stanelco on at leas 6 discussion boards that I know of, all on different websites, and all hours of the day, and even tried to set up a thread simply to bash Stanelco on fillyaboots.com, but was removed before the day was out.

I suggest anyone who does not want to read lies, misinformation, scaremongering, and blatent bashing, from this bitter twisted bprg loser, make use of this websites Filter option, by clicking the name, then adding it to the 'squelch' list.

Discussion boards should be policed, and anyone who is no able to discuss, and brings the board nothing but lies, misinformation, and scaremongering, should be banned.

99% of people here are trying to make money by investing, and insiderinside is trying to make us all lose money.

Cheers,
PM