Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7838465.stm
Have a look and consider!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7841999.stm
Raw I sure you can understand the pictures.

Fred, can you please pin point a date for me when you suddenly started believing everything you saw on the news or read in the papers as non biased etc?
cause im sure me and you have had this argument before, only it was me coming under attack on those occasions for basing my views on the media and not facts as you so often reminded me.
So have you now changed your views on the media, as you appear to now trust the content of the news and newspapers with no factual proof ?
Im just curious thats all? have you personally witnessed any of these attacks on gaza and know the full extent of all the circumstances around them ?either presently or in previous years?
are you basing your views on what youve seen/read in the media or personal experience,

I cannot understand the pictures. I agree that they show something but they are not concrete evidence or fact. We just don't know the truth. I am fortunate to have never witnessed this close up but I believe aircraft use phosphorus countermeasure. It is feasible that a helicopter at low level may have needed to defend itself. I am not an expert in military hardware.

Re. the doctor, I know about this story and it is deeply disturbing but I have been told that the reporting is slightly different to that on pressTV. Regardless, it is a complete waste of life!

Gausie reckons anyone who does not answer his questions directly and specifically and in the manner in which he would like is disproportionately evasive!

Ruth ..... i would doubt that anyone here has done other than read or seen on tv ..... all one can do is try to evaluate and form ones own opinion from the information available ..... this effectively becomes fact unless proven to the contrary ..... i'm not sure that i have phrased that very well, but my brain is a bit tired today

Cynic - not disproportionately evasive, just plain slimey.

rawdm999
Its frightening isnt it, how we teach our kids will have a big factor on their views in life,its how hatred escalates,
i was mortified to see the video clips posted here of young gaza children who looked about 5 years old being taught and encouraged to hate and kill,

What hope is there for peace,?

ps fred has an habit of not answering questions directly,and on the rare occasion you do get an answer, he will go all round the houses and still come out with the same shite anyway,
hes usually so politically correct, unless of course the agenda doesnt suit ,
consistency isnt his strong point,

Ruth, you have him well and truly figured out. Maybe he will be able to figure himself out one day. I saw some gaza videos many years ago where mothers slice babies heads and they are taught nothing but hate from birth. It scares the hell out of me.

I've also seen the palestinian propoganda machine 'setting up' some of their videos. They are so good at it it would put the bbc to shame.

Also, has anyone noticed how the Hamas militants are now patrolling Gaza in shiny new 4x4 pickups instead of the usual battered taxi's etc. Were did the money come from to buy these if the population is starving?

Oh well on with the balanced debate......

G. Another intelligent remark. Does it represent your level thought.


I will await the change of American foreign policies by the New American administration.

Gausie .... what else would you expect from a bald, old and bow-legged yid?

A change in American foreign policy is unlikely to make any difference to the situation, even if the new presidents middle name is hussain.

the ex england cricket captain was also so named, and that too made no diff to the team's performance!

Cynic, of course i agree , most of us are only witnessing whats happening in gaza via the news,
its just that Fred has in the past ridiculed anyone who believed or made opinions based on what they read/saw.and now suddenly hes spouting it all off as being accurate/trustworthy now it suits his agenda

Hes usually of the opinion that innocent until proven guilty,its just his double standards and hypocrisy that im highlighting,

would you then agree with my premise that, having read and seen what one can and made one's own evaluation, then that is the "truth" untill proved to the contrary?

Cynic, i dont think your understanding my argument,
Fred will jump on the back of anyone who forms their opinion based on news/media reports,but he then goes onto do the exact same when it suits his agenda, he cant have it both ways,

To answer your question though
yes i make my opinions based on what i read /see and the law of probability too,
but it only forms my opinion, its not truth and nothing but the truth is it?

But if someone attacked my home, or threatened any of my children,you can bet your last dollar i will do everything and anything in my power to overcome that threat,


So even though the medias perception/coverage is that gazza is being treated unfairly,im afraid i have different views /opinions based on law of probability/reality which over ride their bias/slant on the reporting, and first and foremost as mentioned above, protecting ones own has got to be priority,so even though in freds words "i wouldnt understand" i do fully understand my priorities if i was placed in the same position,and on that basis i think hamas are ultimately the more guilty party of the two sides,
hope this clarifies my position, i would rather there be no deaths, but you cant expect any nation to just sit back and not respond to attacks,

cynic: No you can't. The only safe path is to assume that you're being fed misrepresentations at best and falsehoods at worst. The degree of credibility you assign to a news source is matter for you, of course.

Completely agree with you MM.

i don't care what Fred writes as i don't bother to read.

however, there are degrees of mis or disinformation, or to take it to a banal level ..... one often gets two totally honest but different reports from eyewitnesses to say a football match reported in two different local papers .... both reports are still the "truth".

depending on ones inclination, you may accept one or other report as being accurate, or for that matter, neither ..... unless an eyewitness whom you trust comes along and tells you something totally different, you will regard the opinion that you formed as being the "truth"


MM ..... i think we are actually in tune, as from what you write, you say you will filter and then form your own view as to what is the "truth" - until proven to the contrary

Ruth,

I think that the media coverage of Gazza has been unfair since he ate all the pies.

:o)

he needs the bottle of "sauce" to help wash down all the pies he has in that bag