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Israeli Gaza conflict?????? (GAZA)     

Fred1new - 06 Jan 2009 19:21

Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

fahel - 01 Jun 2011 08:13 - 5086 of 6906

Haystack,

I know if by any chance itlob looked in a mirror after reading any of your post he will see that his face turned to red, and that is a normal for a joker.

TANKER - 01 Jun 2011 09:23 - 5087 of 6906

MLADIC . if he is quilty then when is bush and blair going to be hung .
they killed millions and that was in enough country at least mladic was fighting for is own . disgraceful

yuff - 01 Jun 2011 11:33 - 5088 of 6906

People choose to raise issues when it suits them. Suddenly all Israeli politicians are bent according to our resident nazi and his cut and paste side kick tontofahel.

Your posts hay are becoming more and more obsessive.

Slow down.

The flotilla will sail away and nothing more will be heard. These guys talk big but do little.

When Hamas and Hizbollah stop their attacks than Israel will open the borders.

In The Land of the B - 01 Jun 2011 11:52 - 5089 of 6906

Well said, yuff :)

The only thing is that OCD sufferers can't slow down; they eventually mentally self-destruct under the imploding pressure of their own fanaticism.
In the case of Greg Hayes, as with all nazis, that is something I look forward to with the utmost relish.

Haystack - 01 Jun 2011 12:23 - 5090 of 6906

When Israel stop illegaly blockading Gaza then Hamas might stop attacking Israel. There will come a time soon when the presure on Israel will become too geat and the borders will have to be opened. Israel is becoming more and more isolated.

http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/strenger-than-fiction/netanyahu-s-win-is-israel-s-loss-1.364022

Netanyahus win is Israels loss

Once the dust of the media storm settles down, the citizens of Israel will be faced with the stark truth: The specter of Israels ever-growing isolation and of increasing international pressure looms large.

...
The Palestinians received further evidence that there is no use in negotiating with Netanyahus right-wing government. Their current strategic goal is broad international recognition, and they will soon have embassies in most of the world. This will create a much stronger position for them in negotiations with a future Israeli government more amenable to compromise.

The only interesting thing about last week was how Obama played his cards: he wants to be reelected in 2012, and any move seen as enforcing a non-negotiated solution on Israel would have brought him into collision course with a strong Christian Zionist constituency in the U.S. that supports Netanyahu. It would also have invited AIPACs ire, even though AIPAC no longer represents the majority of Jewish voters in the U.S.

The tragedy is that Israels growing isolation and the Palestinians unilateral move could be avoided. Instead of fighting the Palestinians' bid for recognition, Israel should support it. Israelis have an overriding and legitimate concern: they fear that the Palestinians really see the two-state solution as a two-stage solution; that they will continue to press for the right of millions of Palestinians to return to Israel after they have a state of their own, thus effectively turning Israel into a bi-national state. This fear is not unfounded, particularly since Hamas has so far refused to accept Israels existence and promises to use any means to wipe it off the face of the earth.

Israels best strategy to defuse this concern would be to cooperate with the Palestinian bid for UN recognition with a caveat. Israel could demand that recognition of Palestine within the 1967 borders be conditional on the Palestinians renouncing any further claim west of this border, a demand likely to be met by the international community, and supported by the Arab League Peace Initiative.

UN recognition of Palestine along the 1967 borders is really in Israels interest, because it preempts the creation of a bi-national state; it would finally provide Israel with internationally recognized borders for the first time since its foundation; and it would leave Hamas with no choice but to recognize Israels legitimacy.

But Netanyahu is incapable of looking that far ahead, and incapable of bold moves. That much was clear when, after the 2009 elections, he preferred a narrow right-wing government to a coalition with Kadima, and when he put Avigdor Lieberman into the Foreign Ministry. Netanyahus rigid worldview and his petty struggle for political survival prevent him from taking a creative approach in resolving the Israel-Palestine conflict, and we Israelis will have to pay the price.

yuff - 01 Jun 2011 13:49 - 5091 of 6906

and they will soon have embassies in most of the world. Yes Hay most are 3rd world despots rifled with corruption who will say yes if you cross their palm with silver. Sepp Blatter has the same problem.

Believe me when I say israel has more support than the poor downtrodden Palestinians.

These people make it an artform in making people have sympathy with their situation.

If the Gulf arabs really cared they would have poured millions in to Gaza. insread they poor millions in to racehorses and buildings for their own self wealth.

When will you understand Hay and tontofahel that nobody really cares what happens outside their front door.

In The Land of the B - 01 Jun 2011 13:50 - 5092 of 6906

See what I mean about OCD sufferers like the parrot? They can't stop and don't want to stop. They get some sort of satisfaction from their illness.

Haystack - 01 Jun 2011 14:25 - 5093 of 6906

The article above was from an Israeli newspaper. Even within Israel the Palestinian cause has a lot of support.

from the Jerusalem Post

France and Britain have signaled they may support a state of Palestine.

French President Nicolas Sarkozy said in an interview earlier this month with the weekly magazine L'Express that If the peace process is still dead in September, France will face up to its responsibilities on the central question of recognition of a Palestinian state."

The EU states voting against Israel on the Goldstone report were Cyprus, Ireland, Malta, Portugal and Slovenia. And those abstaining were Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Greece, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Romania, Spain, Sweden, and the United Kingdom.

[It is likely that these countries will support a state of Palestine.]

...

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Monday that no one can prevent the recognition of a Palestinian state in the United Nations in September.

Netanyahu said Israel can't prevent UN recognition of a Palestinian state, and added that Israel expects to receive support only from a handful of countries.

...

The Palestinian Authority plans to approach the United Nations Security Council in July to begin the process of getting Palestine recognized as a full member of the United Nations and to assure a vote on the matter by the General Assembly in September, Haaretz has learned.

Last Wednesday, the Palestinian leadership met in Ramallah to discuss the addresses of US President Barack Obama and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. During the meeting, the former chief Palestinian negotiator, Saeb Erekat, presented a document containing the Palestinian Authority's work plan through September for achieving full member status in the United Nations.

The document, whose contents reached Haaretz, sets a timeline for the stages the PA must go through according to the UN Charter. The General Assembly opens on September 15 in New York. Thus, to complete the procedural requirements that would lead to a General Assembly vote, the Palestinians must apply by mid-July at the latest.

According to the Palestinian plan, in mid-July Palestine will submit an official letter to the UN secretary-general asking that it be accepted as a full member of the United Nations on the basis of the June 4, 1967 borders. In this letter, the Palestinians are expected to declare that the state of Palestine accepts the principles of the UN Charter.

In The Land of the B - 01 Jun 2011 15:01 - 5094 of 6906

verbal diahorrea
eating too much hay
gone to his "brain"
eponymous hay stack

TANKER - 01 Jun 2011 15:13 - 5095 of 6906

hamas are no more than muderers and lazy holligans
i blame those people at the red cross they are the ones
that want closing down they are idiots

TANKER - 01 Jun 2011 15:14 - 5096 of 6906

the red cross like wars they love it .

cynic - 01 Jun 2011 15:14 - 5097 of 6906

shut up tanks lol!

In The Land of the B - 01 Jun 2011 15:26 - 5098 of 6906

red cross and esp red crescent full of shite and have repeatedly lied

In The Land of the B - 01 Jun 2011 15:27 - 5099 of 6906

don't think they love it, but sure boosts their self importance

TANKER - 01 Jun 2011 15:33 - 5100 of 6906

the red cross course more trouble than the war does .they are a bunch of pillocks .
and yes they are liars the storys they spin when they knock my door is unbelieveable

cynic - 01 Jun 2011 16:22 - 5101 of 6906

don't tell me they pretend to be jehovah's witnesses or plymouth brethren?

Haystack - 01 Jun 2011 21:26 - 5102 of 6906

We went shopping in Tesco a couple of hours ago for ingredients for a salad nicoise. I was looking for new potatoes and nearly bought some Israeli ones. Luckily I always check the origin of such products and bought Jersey Royals instead.

TANKER - 02 Jun 2011 08:00 - 5103 of 6906

hatstack you are a racist pig and i expect a coward

TANKER - 02 Jun 2011 08:01 - 5104 of 6906

it is people like you that fuel hate.

In The Land of the B - 02 Jun 2011 09:34 - 5105 of 6906

Exactly TANKER !
It is a nasty racist and a merchant of hate.
Remember though, like all nazi scum, it is very small minded and derives some pathetic satisfaction, probably yet another sex substitute, by trying to wind people up - as in its Tesco post.
It (parrot) is an object of laughter and contempt.
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